Is the firth round some round in between the 4th and the 5th that I've been missing all these years? Yeah, good teams are built on those picks. Which we already are built on those picks. It's not like this is a rebuilding team looking to stock up on young talent. They're a couple pieces away from seriously competing. If it costs a couple mid rounders to get there, hell yeah I'll go for it.
We didn't give up much for Lito. And his contract is tiny compared to most in his place. It was a great deal. Kudos the Tanny and Rex!
Leigh Bodden | CB Complete player profile Full Name: Leigh Edmond Bodden Born: September 24, 1981 Hyattsville, MD Height: 6-1 Weight: 193 lbs. Pronounced: BOD-in Age: 27 Pos: CB Experience: 6 years College: Duquesne Insider Analysis Grade 76 Expert's Take After being acquired in 2008, Bodden became one of the Lions most consistent defenders. He is a great combination of size, strength and athleticism. He is an instinctive player who leverages receivers well, while keeping proper cushion and body position to react quickly from the perimeter. He has excellent vision of his opponent and the play as it unfolds, which allows him to anticipate, jump patterns and make a play on the ball. He can be physical to jam and re-route receivers from the press position. He has good hips, quickness, agility and speed to turn and run deep with his opponent. Bodden is also a solid open-field tackler with good technique to wrap up his opponent and he keeps his pads over his feet, which enables him to be sure in space. He is an aggressive player who uses his hands well in block protection to keep himself alive to the pile. Jabari Greer | CB Complete player profile Full Name: Jabari Amin Greer Born: February 11, 1982 Jackson, TN Height: 5-11 Weight: 180 lbs. Age: 27 Pos: CB Experience: 5 years College: Tennessee Insider Analysis Grade 67 Expert's Take Greer is a five-year veteran who had another solid year as a perimeter and nickel defender. He was banged up some in 2008, but appeared to be more physical in run support as well as in coverage. He is a focused player who has a great feel for leverage and route progressions. Greer is solid reactor as plays unfold, while showing good vision and awareness to get to the pile out of his zone responsibilities. He reads route progressions well and anticipates breaks points to make plays on the ball. Greer is a very good athlete who maintains a proper cushion with quick feet, peddle and instincts. He shows good burst and close out of his plant, but doesn't have outstanding pure speed out on an island versus top receivers. He has average size, but can be effective using his hands to re-route receivers. Greer is a competitive athlete who is active to the pile and not afraid to mix it up. He is a good football player and a solid special teams contributor that has value in the free-agent market. Chris McAlister | CB Complete player profile Full Name: Christopher James McAlister Born: June 14, 1977 Pasadena, CA Height: 6-1 Weight: 210 lbs. Age: 31 Pos: CB Experience: 10 years College: Arizona Insider Analysis Grade 75 Expert's Take McAlister is a 10-year veteran who hasn't been durable over the past two seasons. He missed half the season in 2007 and 10 games in 2008 with injuries. McAlister has an excellent combination of size, strength and athleticism. He is effective in press coverage. He has long arms and is physical man schemes. His burst to close or catch up in a trail position is declining, but he still has excellent foot agility, lateral quickness and balance to be a good coverage defender. McAlister is a solid run-support player from the perimeter with good tackling skills in space. McAlister is a good player, but his physical health and durability are concerns going forward. Bryant McFadden | CB Complete player profile Full Name: Bryant McFadden Born: November 21, 1981 Hollywood, FL Height: 6-0 Weight: 190 lbs. Age: 27 Pos: CB Experience: 4 years College: Florida State Drafted: Year:2005 Round:2 Pick:30, Steelers Insider Analysis Grade 74 Expert's Take McFadden is a player on the rise. He is the type of corner who goes about his business and is rarely noticed. He did miss time with an injury in 2008, but his toughness is not in question and he cannot be considered a durability risk. He is a tough player, who likes to mix it up in the run game and through the route. McFadden is excellent at keeping the play in front of him and is a solid strong wrap up tackler. He secures the edge against the run and routinely beats wide receiver blocks. He is a quick learner with increasing instincts and recognition skills. He sees plays develop well and shows excellent competitiveness. McFadden has soft hands for the interception and strong ball skills overall. He doesn't have glaring negative attributes, but his straight-line speed is just slightly above average. True burners are capable of running past him, but he is also very adept playing off coverage to make up for his ordinary speed. He is physical with his jam in press coverage. McFadden is better in zone than man coverage, but he would be more than sufficient in any scheme asked of him. It must be noted that he has consistently been a part of a defense with an exceptional pass rush and obviously this has made his job much easier. McFadden is capable of starting for nearly any team in the league and the arrow has to be going up on this young player. Chris Johnson | CB Complete player profile Full Name: Christopher Mario Johnson Born: September 25, 1979 Gladewater, TX Height: 6-1 Weight: 200 lbs. Age: 29 Pos: CB Experience: 6 years College: Louisville Drafted: Year:2003 Round:7 Pick:31, Packers Insider Analysis Grade 67 Expert's Take Johnson had his most productive season as a pro, earning him seven starts in 2008. He is an excellent combination of size, strength and speed. Johnson is a good compliment opposite Nnambi Asomugha with the Raiders fielding two corners with great size and speed. He doesn't have great lateral agility and quickness and is best in a press position. Johnson has length and strength to reroute receivers off the line of scrimmage, but he needs to learn to use his size advantage better. He has improved his route recognition and reactions as plays unfold. Johnson leveraged the ball better in 2008 and appears to have settled into Oakland's defensive scheme. He isn't a physical run-support player and needs to improve his ability to wrap-up ball-carriers in the open field. He tends to dive at the feet of ball-carriers and misses too often in space. Johnson has tools to be a solid contributor both as a corner and special teams player, but he should be further along in his run support techniques. In the right scheme -- rolled up as a Cover 2 corner or playing an aggressive press man techniques -- he can be an effective defender.
The point is the players were there to obtain as free agents with more to follow as teams make cuts and we did not have to give up two picks. The Philly papers are saying today that he was going to be released soon if they could not trade him. If that is the case you don't sweeten the deal with a second pick.
If you know Andy Reid, you know he loves CB's. He once drafted one in the 2nd and 3rd when he had 2 very viable corners. In this league, you need 3, maybe 4 good CB's with so many 3 WR sets. The fact that they signed Asante Samuel with 2 viable CB's is totally consistent with what they do.
Good question. At first glance, these numbers would seem to be negotiable in Sheppard's eyes, especially if he proves to be the answer opposite Revis:
Is there actually some info that states the conditional pick is based on him making the all-star team or something? Or are you just assuming that's the case? I've seen nothing about it, and am curious because that conditional pick could be based on something like playing time instead of performance.
No, and that's a good point. Considering his problem has been staying healthy if it's based on PT I still like it. When he's in the game he's a pretty good corner.
What an assinine comment. We gave up a 5TH found pick and a conditional pick. If Sheppard is healthy and plays to his potential, and with a defensive minded coach i hope that he will, he will be well worth the picks. According to what I read the 2010 could be as high as a 3rd and as low as another 5th. I am sure that the conditions to excalate to a 3rd are not low - so if he meets them, better for us - it means he presumably had a very good year, and if he has a good year, i can only assume what Revis and Rhodes will do with a solid corner. If we sign Paper-Boy Leonhard and Ivy, our secondary, on paper atleast, looks extremely solid. Good move. :beer:
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln You were close enough.
If you were going to add the 8.7 million signing bonus, I'd say it's a valid point. Being that he last signed a 5 year extension which runs through 2011 and he got 8.7 million in bonus dough, you can add 1.74 million per year to each of the numbers I previously posted (8.7/5=1.74). A significant difference and hopefully enough to keep him happy for the duration of the contract, but as we have seen in the past, players tend to forget that oh so long ago signing bonus and focus on the small annual salary numbers when deciding if they are being properly compensated for their services. I wouldn't be surprised to see a renegotiation at the end of the year if he turns out to be the answer at CB#2. Maybe the trade has an escalator for his presence on the roster after a certain date in 2010. Inquiring minds want to know.
This Was A Reasonable Trade... WhiteShoeWillie is right. This guy got bitch-slapped by his team -- what was he supposed to do? He got well, and when they put him in (seldom if ever) he played. Sheppard needs to be built up psychologically by his CS -- that's not so much to ask. He can cover when he gets his head on straight.
The problem with your argument here is that if the Jets really liked Sheppard and his reasonable contract, why risk him going into free agency where you compete for him with a bunch of other teams and run the risk of having to pay him much more than he is getting? Too many people on this board seem to forget that there is a SALARY CAP in the NFL and you can't just throw money at every need. There are too many damn Yankee fans on this board who think that you fill a hole by overpaying for whomever you want. A fifth round pick for a potential solid starting veteran CB who is a former Pro Bowl player and who makes $3 million a year is a steal. This could be another Kris Jenkins-type move. And if it isn't, what did the Jets really lose? Again, the Favre trade, which I hated, was a bigger gamble and cost the Jets much more than this move did (a third round pick, $13 million in cap money, a starting QB who went to a division foe and won the division, and a late season collapse)
