http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id...late=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true Since the 1995 NFL Scouting Combine when Mike Mamula turned heads with his spectacular workouts but upset stomachs with his eventual pro career, the Boston College defensive end/linebacker has served as the primary, cautionary combine tale. The lesson stressed was for teams to be leery of falling in love with collegiate players in shorts who fanatically prep for and then shine in Indianapolis. It is a piece of their job interview, not the total picture, teams reminded themselves. Look deeper. Look for that innate football passion. Gauge and link it all with game video that does not lie and on-field production in pads that is measurable. Mamula still frequently strikes that kind of conversation among NFL personnel executives and scouts, especially when the combine arrives. New York Jets linebacker Vernon Gholston does not seek to replace Mamula as that guy, that example, the freshest reminder. But based on his riveting 2008 combine and his undistinguished rookie season that followed, in some circles, he already has. "Safe to say," said one long-time NFL personnel executive last week, requesting anonymity, "that Vernon Gholston is the bust of the 2008 draft." Harsh. And given the fact that Gholston is only 23, left Ohio State as a junior, missed early offseason work a year ago because of his class obligations with the Buckeyes, was moved from aligning as a college down defensive end to a pro stand-up linebacker, was part of a struggling Jets defense overall and has a new defensive-minded head coach (Rex Ryan) and new scheme, it is too early to define Gholston as a bust. Not too early, however, to examine his rookie season -- zero starts, zero sacks and 13 tackles (most of them on special teams) -- and realize that from the 2008 combine to year two as a pro, Gholston requires renovation. "That's why I'm here working out at the facility, getting my mind and body right, and I'll be doing that until we have our first camp next month," Gholston said last Thursday via telephone while en route to a workout. "Football is at the top of my life. I entered the combine last year and knew it was big. I trained for weeks in Phoenix. I got my weight, meals, everything right. I gave it everything there and when I left I was mentally and physically tired. That's what you have to do there. Show a lot." From Gholston's fastest time of 4.65 seconds in the 40-yard dash to his 37 bench-press reps of 225 pounds, he did. He shot up to the sixth overall pick. He signed a five-year, $50 million contract with $21 million guaranteed from the Jets. But early in training camp last July, Gholston began to doubt himself, saying he hoped to "one day be a good player" and that "right now, I'm definitely not." His coaches said he was "swimming" trying to learn his new job and Gholston added he was "drowning." It continued into August for this player who earned 22.5 career sacks in 25 starts at Ohio State, who the Jets grabbed to spark their pass rush, changed his position and watched him flounder. On into December it went, with his coaches and teammates criticizing him publicly and privately. Here is how one veteran Jets player, requesting anonymity, described it: "You heard more guys in the locker room upset about Vernon than you did anything Brett Favre did or didn't do. Vernon is talented and athletic but that is not the issue. It is more about him believing in himself and caring about the game. What, he got something like $20 million guaranteed? Guys were asking what's up with that? "For that, you expect something right now. The attitude has to get better. He walked around like, sure, he's got the money, but you wondered did he want to play for 10 or 20 years and be a champion and make Pro Bowls? I saw it. I heard the reaction to it. And if a player tells you he doesn't hear those kind of whispers, he is lying. Any player that gives a damn is not going to play around with that. You have to do what you have to do to prove people wrong. You have to earn that locker room respect. Go out and knock somebody's head off this year. Have a 10-sack year and people will forget about his rookie year. Right now he's built like Tarzan, plays like Jane. But he's young. He has the size and speed to do damage." When Gholston was asked his reaction to this view, he replied: "No problem with any of those feelings." He says that because he views his rookie season as a wash, history. That his combine performance was real but his first year was only a learning experience. A new and difficult situation that required adjustment. Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Keith Rivers was selected three slots below Gholston and in a shortened, injury-plagued season outplayed him. So did New England Patriots linebacker Jerod Mayo, the Defensive Rookie of the Year, though he was selected four slots behind Gholston. Buffalo Bills cornerback Leodis McKelvin was the No. 11 pick and an instant contributor. Arizona Cardinals cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie went 16th overall and helped his team reach the Super Bowl. And Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco, the No. 18 selection, reached the AFC Championship Game. Gholston noticed. "I can't comment on those guys and their situations," Gholston said. "But I am a fan of the game and I watch it, too. I watched a lot of those guys. As for me, it was a new situation and a different position played. A lot was put on me, but every day I learned and grew." Coaches who have worked closely with Ryan say that Gholston is lucky. He has a new coach who puts his players in position to do what they do best. If Gholston is a down end who rushes the backfield and pursues the ball, if that is what he does foremost, that is what he will do, Ryan's peers say. And if that is all Gholston can do, that is how he will be used, as a situational player in Ryan's schemes, they insist. The money, the pressure, the youth, the scrutiny. The first-season flop. The questions of if he really loves football. Vernon Gholston seems a long way from his 2008 combine uprising. He says the only tale of caution for this year's combine, as far as his story goes, is that if you are mesmerized by a junior player at this event and eventually draft him and then change his position in his NFL initiation, expect struggle. The other stuff, Gholston says he can, indeed, do something about. "I'm not sure what the new coaching staff will do with me," Gholston said. "But the feedback I got back so far from Coach Ryan is that we will be an attack defense. I should do well in that."
I'm not going to give up on him, but he seems to embody the previous regime.... deep down there was - no passion, pussy football with a bunch of talent. That was the NYJ last year. And that's what they drafted.
If Rex cant put the fire under this guys ass to play the no one is gonna do it. I feel this is why we need to go out and get Ray Lewis. Lewis will mold Gholston into a fucking killer. The guy has the make up to be amazing. With the right guidance and leadership, he'll be great. Bottom line the guy needs to be inspired, it think we got the right staff to make that happen.
God, this guy really has no passion does he? I hope we get Ray Lewis just so he can motivate Gholston every day to be a better football player! Anyways I think we all were too harsh... sure, he did nothing last year.. but in no way was he a Mangini type of defense guy. He is more of a Rex Ryan defense so let's just wait and see . Ps doesn't really matter here but I really hope they put up a contract system for rookies like in the NBA in the new agreement!
Like so many other rising stars, too much money thrown at him way too fast. He doesn't have to work for it now. My hope is that he gets tired of reading articles like this and hearing "bust" all the time and gets pissed. Let his personal pride take over and have him man up and want to prove to the rest of the NFL what he's really capable of and how wrong they are. Only then will he have the fire. You don't get the fire by throwing $50 Million at a kid before he even takes a snap. Ridiculous.
Every person, player, is motivated differently. Parcells was a master at knowing how to change his motivational techniques to get the most out of an individual player. Some you scream at, degrade, get 'em angry. Others might go into a shell when managed that way. Some respond better to positive reinforcement. It isn't a one size fits all science. I beleive Ryan understands this, and I believe Mangini does not. I also think Mangini always tried to make players fit into his scheme, with zero flexability to install specific plays to make the most of a given player's individual strengths and away from his weaknesses. I bet dollars to doughnuts you will see the 46 D often this year, and Gholston will be at DE. In any case, if Gholston doesn't respond to Ryan's coaching, he's done.
Please stay away from these work out warriors who shine at the combine. Lets learn our lesson as a team
He seems to have his head on right for this season, so that + Rex should do it... if not, well, it is what it is.
Every clip I saw of VG, it looked like he was in first gear. The mean streak, the desire and high gear have to be there at the snap. At the very least be in high gear. This year is another year so we shall see. Personally, I don't think he has it. Hope I am wrong.
'no problem with any of those feelings." this is the sense you get from him a lot, he doesn't care and he's already made his retirement more comfy so he doesn't give a shit
i couldn't agree more, lewis would be a perfect leader whether or not he has anything left in the tank.
that's what's annoying... the talent and power isn't being used correctly and his drive isn't convincing that he wants to be the best. people can change... i hope so due to the cash invested.
I just think it was insane to make this kid play 2 gap outside linebacker when he has such little experience playing football. Any aggressiveness he had Mangini/Sutton ripped it out of him last year. If he has the talent and I think he does have the raw talent then Rex will get the most out of him.
A few things. He was already high on the draft boards so he did not shoot up like Mamula did. I always felt he had too much on his plate last year. He didn't play like a player who had a lot of confidence. He was playing with instict he looked like he was playing not to mess up. I think this year will be different. I expect to see a much more confident and aggressive Gholston in 2009
Funny part about Mamula is after he stunk for 4 years--THE EAGLES RESIGNED HIM...at $2.7 million per year--that was at the time , and still is, a chunk of change. Let's hope the jets don't do that when Gholston's monster contract is ever off the books.