Badger on lsd & Winston biggs your argument holds no wait the QB almost always makes more money than everyone.
Okay, Kreskin, how many games do we win if Favre drags this out until training camp and then decides he wants to play for another team?
No they don't. They just DON'T assume that he WON'T. Like you just did. If you are looking to point fingers at the people who are making presumptions about how Favre would play next year ... then point at a mirror. I've stated repeatedly that I don't know if he can or can't do it, it all depends on how much weight you put on his performance in 2007 and the 2008 Pats/Titans games IMO. It's just you who "knows it all"
Weight is what I wanted to say the point is how much money he makes is not important the QB almost always makes more money than everyone
We go 8 & 8 with Clemens vs 9 & 7 with Favre this team has a future. The object is to get to a SB. Favre is done, maybe he gets us a win or two that Clemens or Ratliff won't so what. If we could fire the entire team for the collapse I would but we certainly can fire a 40 year old QB who is hurt who will free up a ton of cap space.
And that's worth remembering since at the begining of this season most Jet's fans were predicting an 8-8 or 9-7 record, even with Brett being here !!! :beer:
I understand and am fine with going with Clemens. But I also would be fine if Favre comes back. Life is beautiful. Love makes the world go round.
So then how is 8-8 with Clemens a bright future? If he's going to win us a Super Bowl shouldn't we go better than 8-8 with him? Sounds like another year of mediocrity to me.
Originally Posted by johnny And all of the '"Pro-Favre" people assume that he will improve over last year. What evidence is there that a 40 year old QB improves with another year of age? Favre starting streak is amazing, but everyone gets old. I'm not claiming that I "know all". I'm saying that the chances are that Favre will not improve appreciably over last year. Most players get worse with age after a certain point. It's a fact of life that even Favre's ironman streak (impressive as it is) cannot overcome. Could Favre improve back to his 2007 numbers? Sure, but the chances are not good. IMHO they're not worth betting $13M of cap space in one year to find out - especially when there is no long term future involved. I'd rather find out what the Jets have in their current QB corral than spend $13M on Favre. It seems to me that a point that many (not all) of the "Pro-Favre" group love to spew is that the total team collapsed. Well, with the season on the line the Jet defense gave up 27 points over the last two games (to Seattle and Miami). Both games were very winnable and the lack of consistent offense and mistakes is what did the Jets in and IMHO Favre was a huge part of that.
Originally Posted by SyracuseJet Just for the record, if it wasn't for Brett GETTING us to 8-3 then we never would have been in the position to choke. So, take the good with the bad. Sorry, but most fans (not all) here and obviously in the Jets FO raised their exprectations once Brett came here. Do you think that the Jets spent $100M in free agency just to get to 8-8? If the Jets brass didn't expect more than a 9-7 season with Favre at the helm why is it that Mangini is now in Cleveland?
I must watch different Jet football than most of you. It wasn't Favre that got the team to 8-3, it was an amazing run defense and a solid running game. I watched every game and Favre was far from spectacular at any point this season, with the possible exception of a few games. Most of the time he was good to mediocre which could be said for a number of QBs. Yes he didn't lose the games the team won to reach 8-3 but he wasn't the reason they won either.
I think Many Jets fans lost sight of the fact that all that 100M dollars spent were focused on turning this team into a RUN-ORIENTED team with T.Jones.... ...when Favre unexpectedly fell in the Jets laps, it caused the entire Jets plan to disintegrate faster than the Jets free-fall last year. Only way this works is if we make Favre an *gasp* EFFICIENT QB and not let him toss the ball up for grabs. It would be one thing if he did that and we had a Larry Fitzgerald but we have Midgets for WRs....
To play devil's advocate.... Blame Mangini for making the pass:run ratio 2:1 at the end of the season.. the Jets didn't use their strength, the run game, in the final half... TJ was a bigger weapon than Favre but don't tel the CS that. And the run D was gone after Denver because Mangina and Pussy Sutton both changed the scheme to something that the players didn't like and the collapse began. So its not all on Brett, but he was a reason for the collapse as well. Its a team game.
The funny thing is, one of the reasons I love football so much is that it is complicated. It's not like basketball, which I love to play, but find much less interesting to watch, seeing a team clear out so a point guard can go one on one, or lobbing it in to the tall guy so he can muscle it into the hoop. It's not like pitcher v. batter, either. You go to a baseball game, and it's a tie score in the top of the ninth, and the home team brings in a pitcher who gives up a three run homer. I think THERE you can say pretty clearly the pitcher lost the game. Football is different. Certainly over the course of a season. There are too many players to blame just one. Coaching and game preparation for each game are far more important. Compared to choosing fastball or curveball, inside, outside or over the plate, think of all the calls that can be made both offensively and defensively. It's the complication that makes the game so interesting, and worthy of analysis and discussion. Yet some here want to blame the Jet collapse on a single player. It's kind of odd.
While I agree with this, it's always easy to point out after the fact. I hear Giant fans complaining that they abandoned the run in the Eagles playoff loss and they're probably right. But their staff just won a Super Bowl against Belichick and a heavy favorite a year ago, so obviously they aren't idiots. Maybe coaches outsmart themselves sometimes, but it happens. The other team is coaching the game, too, and sometimes they win.
All good points, IS. I think you are suggesting that it wasn't so much a choice that was made by the Jet CS that lead to their downfall as it was the coaching used against them. I think it is more the latter, as the turning point was the Denver game, which I think was prepped by Denver by looking at the Pats' performance in the second half of the second game. Thereafter the Jet CS failed to counter what Denver was doing, and the rest of the opponents had game film of Denver's approach. Of course it could have been something else, too, heh.
Denver was coached in that game by Mike Shanahan and his staff--no slouch and certainly has been around the block more times than Mangini & Co. Sometimes you can expose a team for everyone else to see. A prevailing thought in the 1986 collapse was that Miami exposed the Jets in the MNF 45-3 rout for the whole world to see after we started 10-1, we lost all the rest of the games. Losing Gastineau and Klecko certainly contributed, but that doesn't explain why the offense couldn't score a point.
