2008-2009 Yankees Off-Season Thread

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  1. The Grim Revis

    The Grim Revis New Member

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    Let's pretend that you weren't completely wrong on this. Even if Sheets didn't start over 30 games and have about a 3 ERA in 08, your logic is also extremely wrong.

    Would you rather sign an injury-prone starter coming off a bad year for 2/30 with incentives, or an injury-prone starter coming off a career year for 5/80. Don't even factor in the fact that Burnett is younger and is just a better pitcher.

    Good GM's sign pitchers coming off bad years for less money (Penny), whereas the bad ones sign pitchers coming off career years (Burnett) for big contracts.

    Not saying Cashman is a bad GM, just that the signing is awful. I don't mind Cashman for the most part, but an 8 year old could do what he's doing right now.

    Omar Minaya is the best GM in New York, and that's a fact. (As a Mets fan, had to throw that in there)
     
  2. devilonthetownhallroof

    devilonthetownhallroof 2007 TGG Fantasy Baseball League Champion

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    The injury wasn't all that troubling. It was a sore elbow with zero structural damage and he pitched through it. He wasn't all that effective, but it wasn't that severe. And his ERA+ was 139 to Burnett's 105, and that isn't all that close. Stats adjusted for park and league differences also show Sheets as having a better year. His WHIP was far lower and he walked a little over half as many batters. He had a 3.36 K/BB ratio to Burnett's 2.69. I'm not sure what stats you're looking at, but Sheets was the superior pitcher in 2008. He's a superior pitcher in general.
     
  3. SixFeetDeep

    SixFeetDeep Red Hot Robbie Cano

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    yeah, i lol'ed.
     
  4. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Me too. Still am.
     
  5. The Grim Revis

    The Grim Revis New Member

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    Explain to me how Brian Cashman is a better GM than Omar Minaya?

    Is it his handling of money? The fact that he decided not to get Beltran and Johan in recent years, which he obviously regrets? The recent development of young players?

    Omar has grabbed good young pitchers in trade (Maine/Perez), drafted and developed a good young pitcher (Pelfrey), spent his money wisely (Johan, Beltran, Krod) with the exception of Castillo, and has locked up two of the best young players (Wright/Reyes) for the next 5 years.

    Omar has done a great job with lackluster owners, while Cashman hasn't produced a WS since 2000 with the highest payroll in baseball and as much money as he wants to throw around.
     
  6. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Omar has done a great job? making 1 playoff appearance in 4 years is a great job? and haven't the Mets led the NL in payroll each of those seasons?
     
  7. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    I can't believe you would take such a naive and stupid view of him but to each their own. You don't concern yourself with what somebody did in the past but what they will do in the future. If you really think being overweight is a benefit then God bless you.
     
  8. Cappy

    Cappy Well-Known Member

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    He never said it was a benefit. But you seem to think that it is a sure sign that a pitcher will not be able to perform or will become injured, and that's just not the case, either. You have to look at other factors aside from weight alone. You look at age, frame, previous health issues, mechanics, etc.

    I mean, you are seemingly ignoring that all that weight is sitting on a very large frame. This is not 5'11" Bartolo Colon pushing three bills and paying for it when he turned 33 (although he was quite durable prior to his age 33 season). CC is big in more than just weight. The dude is 6'7".

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    He's big, yeah. He's hardly a Norm Peterson, though.
     
  9. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    Thank you for the support Cappy. I don't really feel like getting into the irony of Don stating something that I wrote was naive and stupid.

    Hey Don, if you think I actually think being overweight is a "benefit" why don't you head over to the Bullshit forum, open up the Search Forum box, and put in "Alio's Kick Ass Program." Then come back and tell me how I feel about people being overweight.
     
  10. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    to clarify, Cashman and Minaya are complete clowns. Clowns
     
  11. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    So who are our starters in the outfield?? Is it Damon-Gardner/Melky-Swisher?
     
  12. Cappy

    Cappy Well-Known Member

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    Damon/Swisher/Nady - Gardner/Melky - Swisher/Nady
     
  13. The Grim Revis

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    Well, he came into a team that was a complete mess in 04, and made them into a contender in his 1st year. Then, he took them to the 7th game of the NLCS in 06. He put together a good team in 07 that dominated the whole year, then fell apart in September which absolutely isn't Omar's fault. In 08, he went in with a bullpen that had great numbers in 07 and they encountered injuries and down years from Heilman/Feliciano/Sanchez.

    In 05, we were the highest in the NL, but more than 100 less than the Yankees. In 06, we were 5th in the Majors. In 07, third. In 08, third. Every year except for 08, there were a few teams (Dodgers/Cubs/etc.) who trailed us by 10 Mil or less, so the Mets weren't far ahead like the Yankees.

    My problem with Cashman is that there's no strategy in what he's doing. They give him all this money, and he wastes it on clowns like Burnett. I like the CC signing, although giving him the extra 20 Mil was pretty ridiculous. Tex is a good player, no problem there.

    Any idiot can do what Cashman is doing, Minaya is waiting out the market and getting players (Krod/soon to be Lowe/Perez) at prices/years he wants.
     
  14. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    Right. Totally forgot about Nady.
     
  15. IATA

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    Grim Revis = JoeJet sans the douchebaggery?



    In other, much more interesting news, the Giants are reportedly making a hard push at Manny. This would be fucking great for them. They NEED a big bat. Manny hits bombs to a short left field. They get asses in seats. They are on top of the NL West with Manny, by far.
     
  16. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    They weren't contenders in their 1st year and the division and league stunk so it wasn't hard w/ their resources to make them into a playoff contender quickly.

    it doesn't matter where you were in the Majors, you were 1st in the NL and have only made the playoffs ONCE in that span.

    Minaya has done a subpar job, he has built a team of chokers- choking away the '06 NLCS, choking away the '07 and '08 seasons. Omar has mostly built w/ money as well. reyes and Wright were already there, he overpaid for Pedro, acquired salary dumps like Delgado, FAs like Beltran. Cashman deserves criticism for what he has done but last year was the 1st year since 1993 that the yankees didn't make the postseason while Omar and the Mets have gone 1 for 4.
     
  17. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    Does anyone know when individual game tickets go on sale? Did they already? Or are they doing some crazy new shit due to the demand of the new stadium?
     
  18. AlioTheFool

    AlioTheFool Spiveymaniac

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    From what I can tell, the only way you can get single-game tickets right now is through Stub Hub. It looks like they're only making season ticket plans available right now.
     
  19. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    yeah thats what I gathered as well. Im thinking ganggreen road trip to the new stadium this year
     
  20. SixFeetDeep

    SixFeetDeep Red Hot Robbie Cano

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    im down. jonnyd carpool from ct ill provide the roadhead. i mean pay for gas.
     

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