Are you even the least bit informed at how running a football team works? You've got the cart WAY before the horse here buddy...I'll leave you to figure it out form there.
I really liked Mangini up until the Seattle game, then I felt indifferent about him from there on out. But the more I think about it and the more I read about Mangini's tactics, the more I like him. The Favre move was a mistake from the beginning, and Mangini never wanted him. What could Mangini have done differently if there was no assurance at all in his passing game? Favre consistently made bad decisions, especially when hurrying-up and calling his own plays. Mangini would be perfect with one of the young guys (Ratliff/Clemens/Ainge), where he can manage everything they do and really run the show. Favre is the antithesis to Mangini and it really limited his ability to do what he wanted. Mangini did make mistakes (Seattle game/Handling of Keller), but Bill Parcells couldn't make this team a winner with the way Favre played and two of our biggest Defensive players (Jenkins/Pace) became ineffective by the end of the year. If we can't get Rex, Shanahan, Frazier (really like him), or Spagnuolo, firing Mangini was a big mistake.
What kind of Corky from life goes on thought process is that? So your saying that firing him is only a mistake if we can get the newer model? It was either a good idea to fire him or not based on his ability as a coach, and not how much we can upgrade. Either he's a good coach or he's not. I'm just trying really hard to wrap my head around your thought process on this one, and coming up empty. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing on if it was a good idea to fire Mangini or not, i'm just saying your rationality is a little backasswards.
I wanted Mangini gone as I blamed him for bringing in Favre and the awful December collapse. But now that we know EM didn't even want Favre here I feel firing him was a massive error in judgement. Two new coordinators, and 3 new DB's would probably help this team out more than a new coach and scheme will.
Haha...you are kidding, right? After three years he was a loser..he had all the chances he needed. He sucked..no other way to put it.
He was a rookie coach in a very strong, Patriot dominated, division. He was a winner in this division. Granted he didn't get over that hump, he was getting closer. He made the playoffs as a rookie head coach. Aquired the nickname of "Mangenious". Does that sound similar to any of the rookie coach's from this year? He came in here with a plan for success and was in the process of putting that together. He built a very strong foundation, everyone assumes that all the pieces were in place, I call bullshit. I think it needed one more year to aquire the final pieces. He establised professionalism. He was a very intelligent man, who knows football. More then I can say for a lot of people that has came and gone in this organization. He came from a winning program and knew the fundamentals to being successful. God forbid we give someone with the knowledge some time to work out the kinks. I will here the, he had three years, arguement. Great, yet, that is bullshit when you inherit a team that was fubar when he came in here to begin with. When you take over a team that crappy and make them as good as they were this season, I think you atleast deserve a pat on the back, not the axe.
I'm finding it hard to understand a lot of these threads of man love for Mangini. He had 3 seasons, and this season he had a 140 mil boost, when a coach opts to kick a FG on 4th and inches when the offense has been averaging 6 yards a carry on the drive, you know he is not the man. Mangini is a average coach, there are plenty of coahes/coordinators in the NFL that we can bring in, step away from the cliff edge.
What I meant is that outside of 4 or 5 candidates, there aren't many coaches out there who put the team in a better position. I'd be fine with Rex Ryan, Shanahan, Lezlie Frazier, or Spagnuolo actually, but they are the only candidates out of the ones mentioned who would be an upgrade over Mangini. I think Marty, Shotty Jr, and Callahan would all be big mistakes.
I have serious issues with all this talk about Mangini being young and needing time to learn. The problem is that Mangini is convinced the Patriot Way is the only way. He will not learn, he will not change, he will not adjust. He only wants to do things the way he did them in NE. He will never get better as a coach, he will never get worse. He will spend his whole football career believing that the Pats Way is the only way.
Yes because clearly him wanting to atleast get some points for his team is such a horrible thing. What if we got stuffed? He would look even worse then he is being made out to be now. I mean clearly those little coaching calls was the reason for our collapse. Surely a washed up QB, bad coordinators, unmotivated players, and poor execution had nothing to do with the collapse of 08'. Mangini was set up to fail by, Woody. Simple as that. I would simply bet the farm on the fact that his hand was being forced on a lot of thing, including playcalling. For example.. Our running game was the best thing going for us this season, yet, we were letting the interception machine throw the ball soon and often. I wonder why that is? Could it be because Woody wanted to make sure BF had every oppurtunity to sell, sell, sell for him by throwing the rock, regardless of the final outcome of the game. Surely not..
Anyone suggesting that Herm showed half the brains Mangini did in his time here is just full of it. I think the idea that Mangini is called a bad coach here is a matter of fan ignorance. Young coach? Yes. Inexperienced coach? Yep. Bad coach? Hell no. You put his time here in perspective, and he was a fine coach. Why do you think even the media that was trashing him for weeks is shocked we actually fired him? His firing was by far the most surprising one before Shanahans. He made some bad choices and had a tough season, but no one but the fans here really thought or even wanted him fired from what I've been reading. I'm not saying rehire him. I'm saying this organization needs to grow up and stop thinking firing everyone is the solutions to it's problems. I cannot wait 'til we hire a coach and draft season rolls around...everythings set on repeat right now.
So "The Patriots Way" is the wrong way? Really? I'm just curious because it seems like it has been dominating our team and the division for a while now. So, that mentallity must be it. Stupid, Mangini.
Even past that...who the fuck said Mangini ONLY believed in the Patriots way? WTF is even the Patriots way? Friggin buzz words around here...
Shannahan isn't working under anyone. He's got 2 rings, 4 double digit win seasons after Elway and has consistently demonstrated that he's able to take any bum off the street and make him a Pro Bowl RB. Why would he work under anyone let alone Mangini? He's now going to be the 2nd hottest prospect after Cowher and there are rumors out there already that he had a wink wink deal with San Diego
I can't get over the fickle nature of this board. Why does it seem that every time we fire or trade/cut somebody. Somebody that all season long we are bashing them, and calling for thier head. Once we pull the trigger and get rid of him, we are all full of regret, and that person becomes such a big loss for us? Mangini was fired because he never grew as a HC. In fact, he seemed to take a few steps backwards, this season. He made no in game adjustments, questionable playcalls, couldn't get his players up for big games, always played down to the competition, etc. He was given enough talent to succeed. He was in over his head. We are a better team for moving on from his regime. He should not be a coach in the same conference as Belicheck. I think we made the right decision, for a change.
