2008-2009 Yankees Off-Season Thread

Discussion in 'Baseball Forum' started by dwalsh, Oct 1, 2008.

  1. MSUJet85

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    I think you mean Steinbrenner, we all know damn well that Hank has no power towards the baseball team
     
  2. wildthing202

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    lol at 22.5 mil a year for a guy who's just a tad better than Youk offensively. So why did the Yankees need taxpayer money again?

    $423 mil for a guy with a 3.83 era in the AL, a guy who is 31+ with a 4+ era who finally pitch in 35 games for the 1st time ever and a guy who hasn't had a great year since 2005.

    Enjoy repeating 3rd place maybe now you'll finish within a game or 2 this time.
     
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    Youkilis hasn't hit free agency yet, he is going to get a huge payday as well
     
  4. Cappy

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    Holy Homerism, Batman! :lol:

    Mark Teixeira career OPS+: 134
    Kevin Youkilis career OPS+: 119
     
  5. jonnyd

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    Im sure if the Sox had signed him youd be singing a different tune. at least Devil and IATA are being honest about how they feel. Nice try. Id love to make a bet on that third place thing too by the way.
     
  6. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    But if the sox got him at the same price you'd be crowing. If the Yanks regain their rightful place at the top of the AL East(don't worry you can still finish in 2nd) just show up instead of disappearing.
     
  7. SixFeetDeep

    SixFeetDeep Red Hot Robbie Cano

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    quoting this so later i can laugh at how very very very wrong you are.
     
  8. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    If we do, at least we know it will be Boston finishing last.
     
  9. JetBlue

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    tell a Steinbrenner a player is the best free agent available, they'll have to have him. tell him he will go to Boston otherwise, he'll double his efforts.

    but you have to overlook the money. the Yanks can carry a $200 million payroll, so it would be foolish not to spend it. unlike other businesses, they aren't interested in reducing costs while improving performance, and directly correlate payroll to success. yes, you need to spend money in baseball to win, but the Yankees seem convinced that the only way to win is spend the most money. but since signing big contracts every offseason is the Yankee way, every year they have money coming off the books to spend. what's amazing is the Yankees continue to spend it every season in the same manner that hasn't delivered a World Series in over a decade in which the payroll has continually climbed, and nobody seems the least bit concerned that such a practice may not be the best way to build a team. let's just say, I wouldn't hold a nail if the Yankees were going to be hammering it.

    but, if you can afford the players, you can't fault the Yankees for signing them. if they don't win again, they will just sign the top two or three free agents next season which will obviously have been what they have been missing. the Yanks have the best racket in town. the more money they spend, the more excited the fans are and the more money they'll pay for tickets, which gives the Yanks more money to spend. the Yanks can't eliminate one of those factors, not spend money and continue to charge their prices. Yankee fans demand big money free agents, and the team delivers. again, you can't fault them for that.
     
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  10. Cappy

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    If they're expecting that, then that means they're expecting to get rid of somebody. It's the only way it's possible, unless there are now plans to backload the salaries in some of these new contracts.

    That's not "speculation." That's fact.
     
  11. JetBlue

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    the Yanks don't care about the payroll being under $200 mil. they don't, and they don't have to be. the only reason why they would is because they know at the trade deadline they are going to trade for the biggest named player available which will end up setting them over.
     
  12. SixFeetDeep

    SixFeetDeep Red Hot Robbie Cano

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    i say we trade 2 of melky/swisher/matsui/damon/nady/gardner. for bullpen help, a legit centerfielder, or even a SP if theres one available we like.

    matsui - 13 M
    nady - 3+ M
    damon - 13 M
    gardner - 400k
    melky - 500k
    swisher - 3+ M

    nady is easily the most valuable and affordable so we keep him. damon is our only legit leadoff guy, so he stays. gardner has no trade value and costs nothing, so he stays. swisher is cheap, a patient hitter, clubhouse presence, and can play all OF positions and 1b, so we keep him.

    melky has a little value, as evidenced by the proposed cameron deal, so we try to trade him. matsui, when healthy, is a great hitter and can be a servicable LF, or DH for an AL team. so we put melky matsui and a prospect in a package and see what we can get.
     
  13. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    So, I have been thinking. It's not just Sabathia, Teixiera and Burnett. It's also Posada, Matsui and Wang. It's like adding six new players, not 3.
     
  14. JetBlue

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    yes, I'm sure teams are dying to trade players good enough to help the Yanks for the players that have no value. if the Yanks are going to add players via a trade (with a team that doesn't have the financial resources like the Yanks) it will inherently have to be for a player like Nady, who is good and not expensive that said less wealthy teams can afford. the Yanks are going to have to decide whether what those players provide is more important than what they are trying to add.
     
  15. SixFeetDeep

    SixFeetDeep Red Hot Robbie Cano

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    i dont think you read my post. the players i suggested are both valuable. and i suggested they trade them for a CF such as mike cameron, bullpen help, or a number 5 starter. matsui could be a 3 or 4 hitter for another team if healthy. melky could be an affordable option in centerfield. they can afford to take less talent in return since they have a logjam at OF/DH/1B. the basis for this trade is to possibly lessen the payroll, fill a small need, and get rid of players that will be sittin on the bench.

    if the mets can trade 7 pieces of dogshit for a good closer, who knows what the yanks can get for actual players.
     
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  16. ollie

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    Wishfull thinking on your part.
     
  17. Yisman

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    I just think it's funny that the Yankees are asking for loans and money from the city, and they're handing out contracts that are going to cost them close to $500 million including the luxury tax.
     
  18. Yisman

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    nah, even with the contracts they lost, payroll is on the way up.
     
  19. Don

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  20. JetBlue

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    kudos, I didn't think it could be done but you actually insulted dog shit.
     

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