Here's the problem. If anyone who supported the move to get Favre thought for a second he would play as poorly as he has over the past few weeks they would have never signed on board for that. At one point in the season during the 5 game streak he was playing at a very high level and this team appeared to be going places. Then everything fell apart. Favre started sucking (maybe he's worn down from age?), the OC stopped running the ball, the defense forgot how to stop the run, teams were exploiting our secondary, right on down the line. When I supported the move my main point was that it was a risky move, but one with high reward potential. That reward potential seemed to have great potential of paying off at one point. Now it looks as if we've lost our bet and the risk was for nothing. So I will admit that the move didn't work out as well as I had hoped or thought it could, but I still agree with the move because they took a shot at something that could have paid off. I will stand by my opinion that it was a good move even though it appears to have not worked out in our favor. I also stand by my opinion that if the Fins do make the playoffs Chad will look like a scared puppy dog against the Ravens and not do anything. He will suck as bad as Favre did yesterday against that team.
Chad + Mangini would have turned into 7-9 in a hurry. I don't care who else was here, the two of them really didn't have any chemistry at all. The playoff season in 2006 was partly schedule and partly injury luck and partly a group of players, particularly on offense, who had gotten sick and tired of Herm and needed a breath of fresh air. Chad had his worst season, statistically speaking, in 2006 and he followed it up with an absolutely miserable performance last year. Going to Miami salvaged his career, which was basically over if he stayed in NY with Mangini.
This particluar thread I bumped to rub it in b/c I am so frustrated w/ how awful favre has been. I apologize, I don't normally do it but my frustration got the better of me.
With the help of lousy offensive game plans that swayed dizzyingly between being conservative at moments when they should have been aggressive and aggressive at moments that caused for a steady hand. I don't think I've ever seen the Jets so poorly coached on offense given the talent levels. You can argue about the defense all you want but this team scored 13 points against the Raiders. They scored THREE points against the Seahawks. They scored 17 points against the Broncos. It take morons at the switch to get shut down by those three teams.
Nobody is or was saying Chad is infallible. This is where you guys start to depart from logic and put words in our mouths that weren't said. Most of us agreed it was a team disaster, including Chad. If it was all Chad the team would have improved when Clemens came in.
The Giants game yes. The Bengal game we put up 31 points, was it? I don't remember off the top of my head, but that one was on the D. We opened with a 57 yard TD bomb to Coles. The Eagle game I can't remember right now, except for the crappy Titans unis.
The team DID improve when Clemens came in. They all played harder and actually won a few games. Clemens performance was not as good as Chad's statistically speaking but the Jets revived from their dead fish coma when Chad was benched.
The D played better after the bye and the three wins included Miami (1-15) and KC (3-13), the offense didn't improve at all.
Our O line sucked last year. We gave up 56 sacks last year. After 15 weeks we are only at 30 this year. And our running game averages over a yard more per carry.
The team's spirit improved. The most competitive the Jets looked against a real team in the first half of the season was the tight loss in Baltimore. Then in the second half they beat the only teams they played that they were better than. Do you remember the predictability of Chad losing games with late picks early on? It was like a broken record. Chad wasn't prepared to win games, the Jets weren't prepared to win games and nobody had any drive to change that. Clemens had the drive, he just didn't have the skills. It was like watching Jeff Hostetler pilot the Giants in the late 80's with the main difference being he was on the Giants and Clemens was on the Jets.
The entire team sucked last year. The difference between the Jets with Chad and the Jets with Clemens is there was a small hope we'd win with Clemens. With Chad there was just the reality that he needed a much better team behind him to have any hope at all. And a much better coaching staff.
The other difference being Hostetler won games, including the Super Bowl. Chad didn't lose those games by himself, we were usually behind before the late picks, except for the Giant game. Again, nobody is saying he played well, but most of the "improvement" with Clemens seems to be in your imagination. What about the "spirit of the team" the other six years Chad has started in the NFL? Or do we still define his whole career by those eight games?
The spirit of the Jets was always iffy with Chad at the helm against a superior team after 2002. The difference between 2003 and 2004 and 2007 was that there were fewer superior teams in the NFL compared to the Jets in those years. I remember vividly the first time I saw the "deer-in-the-headlights" look on Chad's face during a game. It was against the Raiders in the 2002 playoffs and chad folded like an accordion shortly thereafter. With a few exceptions that's what happened against any superior team when he QB'd the Jets thereafter. He had it against KC in the 2005 opener. He had it against Pittsburgh in the 2004 playoff game, which the defense nearly salvaged anyway, he had it against New England multiple times during his career in NY. The Dolphins may well beat the Jets on Sunday but Chad is not going to get them by a really good team in the playoffs. They don't have the talent to go toe-to-toe with a really good team and Chad usually folds when that kind of matchup developes.
This again? I am a big Chad supporter, but Favre was an upgrade and it was the right move. Chad had lost support here because of this crappy CS. I thought he would succeed and hated to see him go to Miami. The only problem I have with Favre is I would love for him to speak up and become a vocal leader. I think he feels he hasn't been here long enough to be in that role, but someone should have been telling the coaches at halftime to F off and start being agressive. I think the CS has taken all the life out of this team and they are finished. The same thing happened to Chad over the last 2 years, what makes you think that would have changed this year?
That sounds like the conventional "wisdom" aquired from years of reading this board. The 2004 and 2005 examples he knew he was playing with a bum shoulder, and he still led us to a road playoff win at SD and to a game winning kick at Pittsburgh against a 15-1 team. That 2002 Raider team was just better than the Jets, we couldn't beat them with Vinny, either, they went to the Super Bowl that year. Chad wasn't covering Tim Brown and Jerry Rice if I remember correctly.
This isn't the conventional wisdom: this is what I have been posting for four years now. Go do a search on deer in the headlights and Chad and you'll find my name next to that probably dating back to when the board was restarted.
That's great, but "deer in the headlights" is an opinion not a fact, so what you're saying is your opinion hasn't changed. Doesn't change the fact that the "deer in the headlights" is heading for another division title and playoff appearance, this time at our expense and this time with a team that was 1-15 last year.
I said the same thing before ever visiting this board except I always called it the "scared puppy dog look". It happens against top defenses with a lot of speed. It may happen again this year if we don't have a Christmas Miracle (Jets win) Sunday.
