There are many posters here and many opinions. I've taken a lot of crap over the years for some of my positions, but with all due modesty, I've generally been correct. I was right about Abraham, I was right about Ellis, I was right about Pennington, I was right about Favre, I was right about Gholston, I was right about Ryan, I am right about Clemens, etc. etc. etc. It probably comes from experience With that being said hopefully I have some credibility with these thoughts below. I'm sure many will disagree and come at me but what the heck, here goes. Things I know for sure: 1. The Jets will not get Matt Cassel 2. The Jets will not win the Super Bowl Things of which I'm fairly certain: 1. The Jets will not fire Tannenbaum 2. The Jets will not fire Mangini 3. The Jets simply aren't that good Let's take a more detailed look at three. Offense: The problem with the offense is that the Jets have no one that scares anyone. The hope was that Favre would become that person, but once it became clear he was just a shadow of his former self (something Green Bay already knew) teams were able to stop him cold. When you look back at Favre's season he's really only had a few good games, most were mediocre, and a handful stunk. The Jets have no one at HB or WR that scare anyone. Thomas had a very nice season because teams prepared to stop Favre, knowing that Thomas could play well, but not kill them. The Jets WRs are good, but again, teams don't stay up at night figuring out how to stop Coles and Cotchery. The offensive line clearly improved, but can still get better. Washington is a weapon, but I'm not sure the coaches have figured out how to get the most out of him. Defense: If you have a dominant front three or four you can get away with a mediocre secondary. If you have a very good front seven you can get away with a mediocre secondary. The problem is the Jets have neither. They have one nice player on the DL, one nice linebacker in Harris (who never looked the same after his injury) and one good one in Pace. In the secondary they have Revis and Rhodes (who seemed to take a step back this year). The rest of the defense simply isn't very good. The Jets need a dominant defensive end, a dominant linebacker (this was supposed to be Gholston), another good corner opposite Revis, and another good safety. Special Teams: Was Nugent really hurt that badly or did Mangini just lose confidence in him? Bottom line the Jets improved significantly over last year. They have some good players, but need to improve in several areas. If you look at all the really good teams (see Giants, Titans, Steelers, Panthers) they all have dominant defenses, the Jets don't. If you look at the other good teams (see Colts, Patriots) they have really good offenses, the Jets don't. Until the team can be dominant on one side of the ball, and at least good on the other, they are not going to seriously compete for the Super Bowl. Oh yeah, they now need to figure out what the heck to do at QB for the next five years (thank you Brett Favre). Respectfully yours, Long Time Jet Fan
I feel that our offensive line is pretty legit, and that if we can build on it with more production at the WR spot (i think coles has to go I dont care, i been saying that since day 1) and someone at the Helm that can deliver these guys the ball along with good coaching, someone that is aggressive that won't put up with that shit Favre has been doing just about all season, that we can be a good team we def have to improve our front 4 though maybe get a cover linebacker thats good in coverage, this team can be great it has some great players on here and I feel that were underachieving and that right there is put solely on coaching, if your not getting the best out of your players week in and week out obviously the players don't believe in your philosophy or just mangina is not coaching correctly, fuck cowler I don't want him to be honest, he's prob not hungry enough to win a superbowl
I believe Woody will look at it like the Jets went from 4-12 to 9-7 or 10-6, whichever is the case. He will justify keeping them by pointing to the improvement in their record. I'm not saying the Jets should keep them. I just don't see Woody getting rid of them after what he will probably view as a nice turnaround.
Why would Tannenbaum be out? He has been a fantastic GM. Brought together a great team talent wise. Mangini should be fired for not using it correctly. Lets use a Parcells analogy: Tanny went to the store, bought some good food, then brought it home to Mangini: And he BURNED THE DINNER. He ruined the food! It tasted like shit! haha.
I'm not a New Yorker...so forgive me if this sounds like a dumb question....but does Woody Johnson have downs syndrome? How do you spend all that money in the offseason and get no return on investment. So what if the record improved...for the caliber of players they brought it, they should've at least made the playoffs with this schedule. I'm not harping on you....i'm just a little frustrated with the mentality this team takes year in and year out.
Mangini has to go. I was a huge Mangini guy but now i've seen the light and he is absolutely horrible. FIRE this fraud and give me a REAL coach. This collapse only adds to the disastrous endings to my last 2 baseball seasons (mets), so i'm kinda getting used to playoff disappointment and it f'n SUCKS!!!!!!
That's exactly the way it'll go down. Remember also that Woody has considerable capital (political as well as monitary) invested in this team at this point. Having given Mangini and Tannenbaum basically free reigns (and an open checkbook) to do what they wanted to do, to abandon the oversight over all that now is not something a Woody-type, "long term" thinker does. Add to that the new PSL situation. Even if the season embarassingly goes down in flames next Sunday, he can still say "We improved to 9-7 from a 4-12 season and we're making strides!" What else is he supposed to do during an offseason in which he's trying to sell his outrageously overpriced PSLs and tickets, fire the entire staff and have the uncertainty of all that brings? No, nothing will be done this year.... this year especially.
For one, he hired Mangini. More importantly, if Johnson is serious about getting an elite coach like Cowher they will want full control which means that GM hat too. I suppose he could promote Tannenbaum into some made up role to keep him. It will be different if he is intent on making the same mistake for the third time and bringing in some cheap inexperienced former coordinator. I don't think he will.
interesting post, 227....but i hope to god you're wrong. Your theory essentially tells us that Woody Johnson views the Jets fanbase as a bunch of blind idiots that will take whatever roster/cs that is fed to them.
This franchise has F'ed us in the a" for 30 years now. I have been pissed like hell since they decided to stay in the Meadowlands with the Giants, throwing away the West Side Stadium plan and refusing to consider building a stadium in Flushing. That was strike 1. Strike 2 was when they moved the headquarters from Hempstead to New Jersey. Yeah, makes sense if your gonna play games in NJ but why are we playing games in NJ at all? Strike 3 was the ridiculous PSL's in a stadium we have to SHARE! . Strike 4 is this collapse. I don't even know what to say. I am appalled.
only one comes to mind...AJ Smith...after the 14-2 record Schottenheimer put up for the Chargers. That firing was a bonehead move....but i believe Mangini lost the lockeroom....the Chargers didn't quit on Schotty Sr.
I predict if the Jets lose to Miami the people who pre commited to PSL's will back out in droves. The Banks knowing the PSL money isn't there will call the loans and the NFL will refuse to back the laons. I predict construction on the stadium to come to a halt, the Meadowlands to go into recievership and the Jets and Giants to be sold to the Chinese. I predict that the Beijing Giants will win the SB at least three times in the next 30 years and the Shanghai Jets will stun the football world when Wang Noodle arm Chang leads them to an unexpected SB victory against the Brett Favre lead Green Bay Packers some 40 years from now after guaranteeing victory at a Cock fight while drunk with the entire Packer defensive team in attendance.
