Here's one vote the jets go to a 4-3 D next year. If the jets don't make the playoffs this year, I say fire Mangini/Sutton and try a new defense. The 3-4 we play with current personnel stinks, My God, it absolutely stinks. Buffalo scores 2 FGs the last 2 games, and then puts up 27 on the road with their backup QB against us. If they wouldn't have tried that stupid pass play at the end we would have lost again. Play the 4-3 next year-- 1. Our 3-4 stinks 2. Jenkins, Devito and Pouha can play DT 3. Harris can play MLB 4. Try Gholston at his college position DE (hey, we can't cut him with that signing bonus and he obviously can't play LB--or do want to give him another 4 years and a new contract like Thomas to prove he stinks?) 5. Ellis likes the 4-3 end position better 6. Cut Bryan (invisible) Thomas 7. Bring back Dwayne Robertson (just kidding) WITH THE DEFENSE WE HAVE NOW, WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO LOSE??????????????????????????????
We really dont have any pieces that force us to play a 3-4. Gholston could line up hand-down.. pace only blitzes half the time anyway.. Harris is a 4-3 MLB just as easily. Jenkins is a natural DT. I mean, this would only come with a coaching change but, i dont see why not
for some reason people can run on them now, but going back would be a pain in the ass. Forget it. It comes down to not having speed at the OLB position and a pussy DC. Give any other DC this team and this won't be happening.
Or maybe get a decent linebacker. How would our defense look with a Jerry Porter? (Not that I would want his mouth, but someone of that ilk). EDIT: Uh, that's Joey Porter. I always used to get them confused, but since Jerry Porter has dropped off the face of the earth, I'm surprised I just did.
no....keep the 3-4 just get a DC who know what the F he is doing and find a way to get some damn pass coverage!! The point of the 3-4 is to not allow the QB to tell where the pressure is coming from....but when you never send any pressure, it makes no difference what goddamn defence you run, we might as well go with a 1-5-5..... Keep the 3-4 and all the d-linemen, and start using Pace and Thomas for things other than goddamn pass coverage....get Gholston involved by letting him rush a little.....the DBs...who knows....
It's not just the scheme, it's the players. Belichick baffled the Rams by dropping SEVEN DBs into coverage. Obviously you're not going to get a lot of pressure doing that, but the DBs could actually cover. Not that I like our scheme at all, but we need new blood.
Um. No. We spent years getting personnel to fit the 3-4...no way we recreate the wheel. We need to get a coach that KNOWS how to run a team and a 3-4 D.
Yeah, building a 3-4 that can stop the run is the hardest part. Early season shows that we managed to do that. Stopping the pass is less complicated. We just need more pressure, which has to come from a linebacker. None of our guys are cutting it right now there.
Way too late now to change it. We need a pass rushing OLB and a coverage ILB, then we're set I think.
The 2-gapping 3-4 is designed to stop the run. Its problem is the pass, which is why it beats the pass through pressure and misdirection. Everyone would run the 3-4 if everyone had a reliable 2 out of 3 down 2-gapping nose tackle and a suitable 1 down pass rushing backup nose tackle. You've got converted DEs who can rush the passer, often tall converted reduced DTs as your DEs and a giant at NT, coupled with (depending on whether it's a balanced or unbalanced 3-4) either two run stuffing inside linebackers or a run stuffer and a cover linebacker (respectively). The 1-gapping 3-4 is designed more with the pass in mind. You have two or three of your down linemen (again, based on scheme) designed and trained to be penetrating on every down (NT and 1 DE with the other DE 2-gapping or the NT and both DEs). Rather than holding the LoS and swimming with the play movement, the defensive line penetrates a gap in an effort to mess up the play rather than stop it. It results in more long runs, but also more stops in the backfield. It results in more pressure on QBs while utilizing the same personnel, but also forces your inside linebackers to be more faithful to the run and thus bite more on play action - And so you can't rely on them in coverage as much. Whereas the 2-gapping 3-4 requires a great run stopping NT that can handle a double team on every play in order to even work, the 1-gapping 3-4 requires ILBs that have the speed, agility and awareness to cover well and the strength to stop linemen and lead blockers in their tracks. The 2-gapping 3-4 makes the linebackers look good. The 1-gapping 3-4 makes the OLBs and penetrating linemen look good. You don't hear the names Matt Wilhelm and Bradie James dropped often but they are huge parts of their respective defenses (San Diego and Dallas). Hell, if you go to the Dallas website they officially list every defensive lineman aside from Tank Johnson as a defensive end, while when you look at the Jets or Patriots their defensive ends are usually listed as DE/DT hybrids. They are different schemes. One has penetrating d-linemen, the other doesn't. Since the 2-gapping 3-4 is based on LoS control (holding and swimming) and the 1-gapping 3-4 is based on disruption on the LoS (eliminating pieces of the puzzle in an effort to confuse the offense - the theory is that if you can force offensive players to 'wing it' on every play rather than sticking to the X's and O's, you eliminate many of the advantages of preparation, practice and comfort in an offense by removing the consistency of that offense), they are in reality entirely different defenses, and you need to specify which you're referring to. We have a kennel full of OLBs (it's a football joke. laugh, damnit). The Jets need a ILB to pair with Harris, a safety to pair with Rhodes and a fast corner (we don't have anyone that can cover burners outside of Revis, who rightfully has a house of worship dedicated to him) to use on the slot man (who is usually a burner). We also need to draft a project DE to groom as a replacement for Coleman/Ellis (whoever fades out first, though Coleman is only really a 2 down DE due to his lack of pass rushing ability and thus should be the first one to be replaced if it's done sooner rather than later). The rest of the next draft should be a high WR (3rd round at latest) and 2 picks for OL depth. Not that you can just dictate what position you pick in what round like this but for shits n' giggles I'd say ILB 1st round, WR+S 3rd (even if the swap with the Saints doesn't yield a 2nd I think it's guaranteed at this point due to playing time to yield a 3rd), with 4/5/6/7 being 2 OLinemen, a DE/DT and a fast corner project a la Justin Miller (yes I know we took him in the 2nd, that doesn't mean that every CB left after the 3rd round is slow - See Tyvon Branch)
And if it isn't, it's Bryan Thomas and Calvin Pace. Pace said it earlier this season, you can't get sacks if you're in coverage.
