Guys at the end of the day, Chad vs Favre comparisons need to end. What's the point of debating? We all liked Chad as a person, and he played well for us, and just couldn't get it done...so he needed a change of scenery. We got Favre, and sent Chad packing. Get over it. They are 2 totally diff QB's we tried it one way, and now we're going in a diff direction. The issue we all need to come together on is that the coaching staff is to blame, as they are the constant with both CP and BF as a Jet...
I guess I'm not making my point clear at all. I am not suggesting that there is a better quality loss. I'm suggesting that one QB put enough points on the board to put his team in a position to win while the other didn't. I'm suggesting that one QB has a much better chance to put points on a top tier defense than the other. I'm suggesting that in the playoffs you will likely have to beat AT LEAST one top tier defense to go all the way.
Putting aside the liking Chad as a person part, this is the question the Chadosexuals here never answer - why continue pining away for him? He's gone. And yes, it's not like there's not plenty to talk about on this team. We're not wanting for subjects, and instead have to go off on a nostalgia kick just to have something to talk about. Geez...
I would normally agree but not this time. He has a lot pf PSLs to sell and they aren't selling. He can't afford to act like he doesn't care. That's why he brought in the FAs this year and why Mangini will be gone if we don't make the plaoffs now.
What is it that is harder for the Jet fans, that Chad is on another team and doing well or that he is on the Dolphins and doing well?
The discussion now revolves around mgmt and their decision to ship Chad out, not about Chad as a person or what he did when he stepped in for Vinny or the Comeback player of the Year award etc. This is the bottom line, mgmt took a risk, some thought it was a big risk in shipping out the best QB on the team for a 39 year old Hall of Fame QB who was lukewarm at best about coming to NY, had 3 weeks to learn the entire playbook, and had no idea who the hell was on the NY Jets. Granted he is a great player, once you get pass the fact that he is Brett Favre and look at what we asked Brett Favre to do and the situation we put him in you would be naive to think we did not put him in a very difficult situation. With that said, if we do not make the playoffs and especially if Chad does down in Miami playing for a limited in talent team that went 1-15 last year, mgmt needs to be accountable for making the bad decision to ship Chad out. With all the additions we made in the offseason on offense and defense and the way Chad was fairing in the summer they needed to see that we had the pieces in place to make a run WITH Chad, just like Chad is doing now with a less talented team in Miami. Mgmt did not think Chad could do that and decided to go with Favre and the aforementioned risks. IF and this is a big IF, we lose out to Miami and Chad beats us to make the playoffs, the fault lies solely on Tangini for not seeing the team coming together for another run with Chad, and the Favre gamble backfired. The worst part is once Brett leaves who the hell do we start next year, so we truly pay the piper over the next few years when we are grooming our QB to be, whoever the hell that is.
Personally, I think if we do end up winning the next 2 games and so does Miami, and then it comes down to a showdown in the Meadowlands for the division title, and we lose, the embarrassment and humiliation would be the likes of which teams do not recover from. So if that is what horror is dealt us, then I think Mangini will be gone. Heck, even if we lose the first game in the playoffs, there is still a chance that Mangini will be gone. When you get to 8-3 after beating a pretty good team and a great team and then seemingly have a complete let down nearly in every facet of the game it is an eye-opener. It just should not have happened. Period. I was so excited going into this season after picking up all the FAs and then getting Favre. I understood the rustiness in the beginning with Favre having to go on a crash course in learning the playbook; that does not cut it anymore. The major fall-off in our D is just plain scary. There is no reasonable explaination for it. We are riding the bottom of the leageue there again mostly due to a pass coverage that is like a seive. Inexcusable. If we do not get into the playoffs I view the year as a huge disappointment and people at the top have to be held accountable. Heads will roll.
Why is the excuse used for Favre that he had to learn a new playbook, yet Pennington had the same amount of time to learn Miami's offense, nothing was said? Excuses, excuses, excuses!!! We didn't lose the last two games due to poor QB play did we? Poor defense is what I saw. Regardless of how the next few games play out, don't you think the responsible thing to do from Tannenbaum's standpoint is to place an inquiry to Cowher just to test the water? Never hurts to ask.
Reality is if both the Dolphins and Jets are 10 and 5 and playing in our house for the division, I will be thrilled. You can't ask for a better scenario as far as I'm concerned. In many ways if that happens the result of the game will either be an indictment of our management or they will be exonarated for cutting him and signing Favre. That of course may well depend on how the game plays out and the performance of each of them. Sports is all about drama and just because this is a side show to the drama on the field it will create great drama and debate and create heightened interest. By the way Junc, Chad was awfull in his last two playoff games for us. The 04 game you can blame on his shoulder. The lateral on the WR screen when he was looking at the defense was the key turning point in the 06 playoff game. Better QB play may well have allowed us to move on in 04, 06 and even 02 against Oakland.
You could make the argument that unloading Chad for Favre with the same results isn't exactly getting it done. If you're replacing Chad because his arm is washed up with a QB who's way past his prime and arguably washed up, not exactly a different direction.
You overstate a number of factors to make your case. These include: The playbook. Yes, it took Favre some time to understand the playbook, but he eventually led the team to five victories in a row. Surely the playbook issue at some point was not significant. It was most likely assessed much like it "played" out, that being a learning curve early on, but not a factor after that. Management. The point about management is not so much whether it was or was not a good decision to change CHad out for Favre as underscores the nature of Miami's transformation. New management there has in short order greatly improved their defensive performance, unlike the situation here where three years into the current regime the pass D is ranked 31st for a team that otherwise has playoff aspirations. THAT is the management comparison that should be made here. By comparison at best Chad Fans might claim the Chad Change Out has had a less than advertised impact. YOu on the other hand strongly imply Miami's turnaround is mostly to Chad's credit. The available facts show otherwise. More to the point, to the extent to which there is a basis for asserting Miami presently has better management right now does not argue against the Chad move, since as many have noted here the CS has proven incapable of better utilizing Favre. This hardly means if Chad had stayed he would be doing better than Favre has with the same management in place. This is a point no Chad Fan wants to touch. When he was still with THIS team, albeit with some different players, he went 1-8 with many pick sixes. "the way Chad was fairing this summer" - wtf? I heard nothing this summer to suggest he was doing all that great. Where did you pull this out of? On second thought, don't answer that. I was looking forward to eating lunch. There was nothing coming out of camp this summer to suggest Chad had upgraded his play. See above comments for his record last year, in case you have forgotten. Your claim that Tangini "failed to see the team coming together" is just plain horse poopie. Failure to make the playoffs. Have you actually watched the last two games? At least some portion of them? Or since you Chad Fans like to (selectively) refer to stats so much, you won't mind if I suggest you look at how many third downs the D allowed SF to convert? How many passing yards were given up the last two games, the second to a third string Qb? Given that woeful performance, to say a failure to make the playoffs would be viewed as due to the Favre pick up is the kind of thing someone who knows nothing about football but is a huge Chad Fan with an agenda driven perspective would say.
^^^^Agreed; our D has been disgraceful given the talent level on that side of the ball. They have contributed to putting our O in very tough spots from a game management point of view.
Chad had played in his current offense, it was a long time ago but he had exposure to it and still had notes from 2000. Chad laso had experience changing systems, Brett hadn't done it in 15+ years. Our D has stunk but so has our O. It would be nice if they could put some drives together and keep our D off the field.
I think the think people are failing to account in the Favre versus Pennington thing is coaching staff. We have Brian Shittenheimer calling games while the Phins have Dan Henning. No contest there. Henning is the one that exposed the Pats defense for what it was with the Wildcat in that early season ass-kicking.
