I was VERY angry with Favre after that game. But only because when you're that frustrated it's easiest to blame the QB. Bur looking at it rationally Favre was nowhere near the top of the list of problems that game. Like you said our Rushing Off. AND Def. along with Al Harris getting torched by Plaxico killed hurt us much more. Also that dropped TD pass by Ruvell Martin didn't help either
Dude, you just spent the whole first part of your post making excuses for GB losing. No we actually blame the kicker for losing the Pitt game. The whole arguement that the offense only scored 3 points is silly. We had a chance to win the game at the end of regulation and in OT. I could make excuses besides the missed FG's but whats the point? If you want to go to the championship game you cant miss two game winning FGs.
If you want to go to the championship game you can't put up less than a TD on offense. Unless you have the 2000 Ravens or 85 Bears defense. I love how you seem to think offensive points don't matter. As long as you don't throw a pick is it OK to score zero on offense? You do realize the purpose of the offensive unit is to score points right?
I love having Brett. But I guess my years of being a Jet fan has me alittle bit of a pessamist. We just never seem to get it done. When things looked good 2 weeks ago, I felt like I could not enjoy it. I am always waiting for the other shoe to drop when things are going good. I wish i was not like that... But I am like that.
They held the Giants to 20 pts in regualtion, favre threw the season ending INT. It doesn't matter what else happened. Our K missed not one but TWO makeable FGs in Pitt in January of 2005. Yes he was most responsible. When did I ever say the O was good that day? The O didn't do their jobs, I never absolved them of blame but the rest of the game didn't matter as he had TWO cahnces to kick makeable Fgs just like Favre had a chance in OT last year and he threw it away.
A chance for 2 low percentage FG's. The offense has to be better than that and put up more points during the game.
In case you dont remember, both times we got inside the 30 at the end of the game herm had us stop attacking and flop the ball in the middle of the field to center a kick.
That was retarded as hell and the exact moment I gave up on Herm. The second time he took 2 knees losing 2 yards. They weren't inside the 20 though - if they were it would have made more sense.
Interesting. I seem to remember plenty of times that you say that Penny outplayed Favre in week 1. Didn't Penny throw the game clinching INT? You always defend his performance, but by your own logic he is most to blame for their loss.
Show me where I said he outplayed him? I thought Chad did a great job leading Miami back in the game espeically w/ the lack of talent he had to throw to but I never said Chad played great.
Can't fault anyone for wanting Favre, but watching him all season shows me he's ready to go back to cutting grass.
I can't say that I would be happy with this scenario, but I am willing to accept it. Chad's time was running out /wearing thin in NY. The majority of people, myself included, were tired of the way things were playing out. The constant check downs, no deep balls, etc. A lot of these things were CS determined. Don't get me wrong, Chad was and still is a good QB, but we took advantage of the situation presented to us. A HOF QB that we could possibly get to lead us to the playoffs. Add that to the guys we have on the D and it looks like we were on the right track to making a serious run on something great. The last few weeks have not been great, but no season can be perfect, unless we were the Dolphins of 73. Side note, how ironic is it that we were the ones to beat the last undefeated team that allowed those turqoise homo's to pop the champaign angain this year. The point is what's done is done and we have to accept it. Hind sight is 20/20.
You are still doing something that caused arguments with us on several different occasions. It's the "talent" issue. You wrote that the Dolphins have a "lack of talent" at the wide receiver position as if it is fact. You did this to attempt to win the debate you are having with multiple posters. How does one prove talent exactly? I understand, though, that you are simply saying that you feel the Dolphins WRs are not as good as the Jets ones. But, are they really not as good? Coles, Cotchery, and Stuckey are pretty good, but they are not All-Pro types. The great WRs in the league right now are Roddy White, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, the Carolina Steve Smith, and Andre Johnson. Then there are some other guys who are getting there like Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, and Greg Jennings. Ginn, Camarillo (I know he's out for the year), and Bess are pretty good, but they are not All-Pro types. The great WRs in the league right now are Roddy White... oh wait, I'm repeating myself. Yeah, so in other words, I think the Dolphins WRs are similar to the Jets ones. Coles, Cotchery, Stuckey, Ginn, Camarillo, Bess are all B or C level WRs. There is no true star among them. As for the TEs, Keller will be better than Fasano as a pass receiver and basically is already better, so I'll agree with you there. As for the RBs, the Dolphins ones are just as good as the Jets ones when it comes to catching passes. In conclusion, I truly believe that Pennington has teammates in Miami who have helped him this season. I feel that you are being unfair when you write that Pennington is working with a lack of talent. Favre and Pennington are working with players who are on a similar plane. Pennington is coached better and Favre is more of a risk taker and this is why some of Pennington's statistics are better. I believe the Jets made the correct move in acquiring Favre. I am sad Pennington went to the hated Dolphins. If he went to the Vikings I could have still rooted for him, but, oh well.
Would it be better if I wrote productive talent? Everyone knows what I mean. Maybe someday Ginn will be better than Coles or Cotchery but he's not close now and no dolphin WR is close now including their best WR who is out for the year. The dolphins WRs stink. Camarillo would be a good #3 on most teams and he's a #1 w/ Miami. Ginn and Bess wouldn't even play for us. We don't have any superstars at the WR position but not many teams have a better starting duo. Both are really good. Keller is clarly better than Fasano already as a receiver. Ricky and Ronnie are more talented players but they are being outplayed by Jones and leon. Ricky/Ronnie rushing: 316 rushes, 1312 yds, 4.15 YPC, 13 TDs Jones/Leon rushing: 305 rushes, 1471 yds, 4.8 YPC, 16 TDs Ricky/Ronnie receiving: 44 recs, 364 yds, 8.2, 1 TD Jones/Leon receiving: 70 recs, 492 yds, 7 yards per, 4 TDs Chad has good RBs and a decent OL. Favre hasgood RBs, a good OL, goodTEs and really good WRs. Favre has a HUGE edge in talent around him. I NEVER said Chad has done it alone but Chad has been the player to bring that team together. W/o him they have maybe 5 wins this year. They have had more talent both offensively and defensibly in the past years and haven't been as good. he has tied it all together. Chad is coached better? We know this how? Under the same coaches Brett has Chad led us to 10 wins in '06 w/ a MUCH less talented team. As far as your last sentence goes. I would never have had a problem if we made the deal earlier. i just feel he was rushed along too fast and we sacrificed our early part of the season and now he has hit a wall late in the year. remember, he didn't have an offeason conditioning program. I'm sure he worked out but there's a difference btw working out and preparing for a season. I agree w/ the other part of your last sentence and obviosuly I still hope Favre gets it going and we win these last 3 and some playoff games. if that happens it will end the debate but right now Chad has had a better year and I think we would have been better w/ him.
How do you come to that conclusion exactly? Outside of the NE game what game has Favre really been a force in a W for us? Maybe we don't win that game at NE w/ Chad but we also probably win in week 2 w/ Chad so it balances out.
Coles is no longer a quality starting NFL WR. He has outright been terrible in most of the games this year. He has played 4 decent games one of the 4 was outstanding and has been outright terrible in 8 games. The guy is at the age and has had a number of concussions. He is no longer a quality NFL WR which is the reason Cotchery's starting to disapear he is starting to get more attention. With Coles going south we have below average NFL WR. As much as you hate on Ginn, he would be starting on our team and would open up the field for Cotch much more than Coles is. Both Shanahan and Singeltary both said as much as did Simms during the game last week. Our WR scare nobody.
Coles is still a very good starting WR, he was effective up until 2 weeks ago and that's when Favre started playing crappy again. I might be able to buy it if both he AND Cotch weren't struggling but I believe it's on the QB. How do 2 guys so good turn bad so quickly? Ginn would barely see the field if he was a Jet.
I don't think Coles is done as a starting WR, but he has struggled this year. I think the last three games of the season will be his best of 2008 though. Call it a hunch :wink:
