Just for clarification i dont want the jets to miss the playoffs i want them to make it cause anything can happen, but at the same time there is little for me to think that we can make that run deep into the playoffs. And for me personally i have lost alot of faith in Mangini because i know how good this team can play and its frustrating to see them continue to play below expectations. Mangini has potential to be a great coach but he has to learn from his mistakes, one person that no matter what happens has to go is Bob Sutton he clearly has no idea how to improve that passing defense
Just curious what makes you think Mangini has lots of potential? Age? Great DC? Outstanding game planner? Great on making adjustments on the fly? Terrific evulator of talent?
And to this I say that the Steelers as a franchise >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Jets as a franchise, even before Cowher. Sorry, but the Steelers have cared about what goes on the field for far longer than the Jets. Even if the Steelers were stumbling when he was hired, he still walked into a damn comfy situation for any HC. It doesn't hurt that he had LeBeau and KW on his staff for most of his Steelers tenure. Let me put it another way: WTF do you guys know about Bill Cowher's thoughts on how to win a football game that would significantly change anything here? I'm seeing alot of buzz bullshit like "smash mouth" and "attitude," but what do you guys actually know about him? That he had success with a franchise beforehand? How many coaches have taken two teams to the SB? How many coaches have successfully coached two different franchises? What's so appealing to Cowher from a football standpoint? Nobody answers that shit...its just the same bullshit...he was good there and he'll bring STEELER ATTITUDE therefore we should get him....
Prior to his arrival, Pittsburg didn't have a season with more than 10 wins since 1979. Pittsburgh Steelers 1992 11 5 0 0-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1993 9 7 0 0-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1994 12 4 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1995 11 5 0 2-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1996 10 6 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1997 11 5 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 1998 7 9 0 Pittsburgh Steelers 1999 6 10 0 Pittsburgh Steelers 2000 9 7 0 Pittsburgh Steelers 2001 13 3 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 2002 10 5 1 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 2003 6 10 0 Pittsburgh Steelers 2004 15 1 0 1-1 Pittsburgh Steelers 2005 11 5 0 4-0 Pittsburgh Steelers 2006 8 8 0 Totals ---- 149 (62.3%) 90 1 12-9 7 seasons with over 10 wins, two AFC Championships and a superbowl. Awards 1992 AP NFL Coach of the Year 1992 Sporting News NFL Coach of the Year 2004 Sporting News NFL Coach of the Year Obviously no one knows what goes on behind closed doors when it comes to coaching other than people who are directly involved. As fans all we can go by is track record and Cowher has an OUTSTANDING track record.
Broadway Brett, I related most of that very relavant information to our friend JetsLookingforDWare in a previous post in this thread. He doesn't care about Cowher's past success. He also claims that Cowher "walked into a comfy situation" as a head coach which I think is sort of like a crazy thing to say, since he also says:
Dick LeBeau was there for 8 of the 15 seasons with Bill Cowher (1992-96 and 2004-06). Ken Whisenhunt was there for 6 years (2001-06).
Oh, he does...but that still goes way around what I'm asking. I'd like to hear Cowher talk football...TBH I never really paid attention to him. He hasn't blown me away on CBS if that means anything, but I don't think he's a dumbass either. Plus...why would he want to come here?
I knew that when I posted it. It doesn't change much to me... Cowher is a good dude, but so is Mangini. Cowher is a smart dude, but so is Mangini. Iunno what you guys expect to get by a coaching change...or a potential coaching change...or talking about a coaching change that is highly unlikely to happen just because we lost 2 fucking games...
I'm more mad that this isn't the worst reach I've ever seen made on this board. Or in this thread. How is that even similar...let alone contradictory...why can't a situation be comfy? Because the team didn't have a winning record the year before? See its these leaps in logic that I don't get it...does not having a winning record the year before mean that he had some major rebuilding project to undertake?
no, that would be buffalo. cleveland was welcomed into the nfl in 1950, after the aafc ended. the nfl, on 4 occasions, stated it did not want buffalo in the league. (1945,1949,1959, and 1965). only the insistence of the jets, raider, chiefs, and oilers on a full merger allowed buffalo to enter the nfl.
For the people that said "It took Cohwer 15 years to win a Super Bowl", well it's been 40 for the JETS. That guy had consistently winning football over the course of a LONG tenure with the same team. If THE JAW wanted to come to the JETS, I'd personally kick Mangini's ass out the back door, barring a serious playoff run this season.
I think he has potential because of what he's done so far, in 2006 idk how we made the playoffs but we did that wasnt nearly as talented a team as others were but we still won 10 games.We've beaten New England at their house twice in his career as our head coach, he is a great defensive mind and yeah he is young and can relate to some of his players and he has drafted pretty well over the last 3 years. I have my doubts about Mangini but i still think he can be a great coach he just has to learn from mistakes.
It may be Satan's coin slot, but Cowher has a history as a player and coach there, and it would only intensify the rivalry. And there are enough Browns and Steelers fans where I live that it would make for interesting football twice a year.
No, Cowher is a GREAT coach, and Mangini doesn't measure up. Mangini at most MIGHT become a great coach, but he sure as hell hasn't proven it. Let's say Johnny Cochran is still alive. You are framed for murder. You have the chance to hire Cochran, money isn't an issue here. Or, you have the option to hire a guy that just graduated Loyola Law (where Cochran went to school) and has never won a murder case. In fact, so far in his short career, he has lost more cases than he has won, and most of them have been against graduates of Brooklyn Academy of Law, who are also themselves fairly clueless. You're going to say this guy is great, and put your life in his hands? Not if you've got any brains. At least hire the guy out of Harvard that has been with the NY DA for 5 years, instead of the guy that just graduated and was immediately handed a job. Absolutely absurd. The real world doesn't work the way you delusional homers think it does. This is the last time I'll bother with this, I shouldn't have even bothered posting this time. You're just trolling, nobody can be this stupid.
