Favre's lack of mobility hurt the team

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  1. puddnhead

    puddnhead New Member

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    Yes. And then you could have posted a thread the next day entitled Raitliff's lack of experience hurt the team, and it you could have posted:

    Can we please stop with this stupidity? I can't believe it's Thursday and still haven't woken up/got over the loss and come to your senses & realized this was a really dumb idea.
     
  2. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Brett Ratliff has never done a single thing in any NFL game. Ever. Never played a single down against an NFL defense. You want to put him in while we are in the middle of a push for the playoffs? Are you kidding me? Do you know the first thing about team sports at all?

    You do not pull Brett Favre, the vetren leader of this team at all. If you can not realize this you are truely lost on how team sports work. This would be by far the worst decision Mangini could make. Espically in a market like New York. The Media would turn the locker room into a circus. The Vets would be in full revolt. You put a completely untested rookie in for a living legend during a playoff run? Perhaps the dumbest thing ever thought of in the history of internet posting.

    Truely confounding how dumb this is.
     
  3. packerbacker1234

    packerbacker1234 New Member

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    Favre isn't going to take off running 99% of the time (he did it, I think, twice last season, one was a 36 yard scamper), but to say his mobility is gone is a falicy. Did you not watch him last season? Or heck, Any season of the last 6 years? He hasn't really ran with the ball in over a decade, but watch him play. ALl that running around you see him doing to buy time? What about all the rollouts last year?

    Favre can still scramble guys, he's one of the best at avoiding sacks and rushers as anyone in the game, even at 39. Just look on a play by play basis when their is pressure and just how the heck he avoids getting hit, or gets just enough time to get off a pass before getting hit. He is making lot sof people miss, and it's not all on that pump fake.

    See that little side step right at the last instant? God, it's a thing of beauty.

    Favre just was off last game. Blame weather, blame whatever, he just was off. Football has a lot to do with momentum, so you have to wonder if he has a better game if the drops don't occur. That one to Coch was just HUGE. It happens, but it always seemed in GB, those WR's held onto those balls no matter the weather.

    Favre wasn't complete garbage, but with WR's dropping balls,a nd the defense having a bad game, favre was going to have to be lights out to win that game. It's alright guys, still holding the division with 4 more very winable games.
     
  4. XGBer-Moving_On

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    I did not see the Utes run many options in 2005, 2006 (Ratliffs true season) or 2007. Any way a spread offense is meant to get the ball into the playmakers hands as QUICKLY as possible. If your QB is running there are issues and you need new playmakers. (Caveat: Florida Gators with same Urban Meyer (former Utah Coach until 2004) run a spread offense AND manage to run the QB option. But Ratliff is/was not Tim Tebow)
     
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  5. TheCoolerGlennFoley

    TheCoolerGlennFoley Well-Known Member

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    I heard the Colts are thinking about pulling Manning and putting in Sorgi in situations where they need to win a game by driving down the field because he's more mobile. If anyone thinks Ratliff, who wasn't even on the active roster mind you, would have been a better option, they are simply an idiot who doesn't know football.
     
  6. k0kes

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    That pretty much sums it up, very eloquently put! :)
     
  7. packerbacker1234

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    Yup. I mentioned in another thread why don't the colts and pats pull Manning and Brady? There even less mobile then Favre. (who I will never say is immobile. One of the best at avoding sacks in the history of hte game)
     
  8. uberchink

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    Favre is definitely one of the best of all time at avoiding sacks. But to be honest, he hasn't really shown that this year so much..
     
  9. XGBer-Moving_On

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    I agree. Compared to last year, I think Favre is "a little off" on his overall performance/s. He is still very good and I do not see a "diminishing of physical skills". This could be mental (comfort may be a better term, after all, it not like he is a HOF pitcher on a baseball team. This game is too much about timing and feel)... BUT IT IS NOT PHYSICAL. Tho reactions are a little off. One example from Sunday is when the BF fumble recovered by the NYJ in RZ with pocket collapsing, this time last year, he moves out of the pocket to get more time.

    There is a lot of promise and a lot of football to go. I'm on the positive side of what to expect.
     
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  10. packerbacker1234

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    I agree, the ability, the physical capability, is still there. I don't think anyone really disputes that: Even throwing hte ball he can still make all the throws (he's never been a great deep ball factor, he just always seems to hit one just when you need it). I think a lot of it is mental: There is no way the transistion to a new team after 16 years wasn't going to affect him some. I think if he decided to come back one more season, you would seem him more comfortable, and moving around a lot more to buy time. It's just a mental block - it's gotta be hard picking up an entire offense and trying to win games on short notice after having the same play book, really, for 16 years.

    He's playing well though, but I think most can agree that if he came back for one more season, he'de be even better next year. Full offseason, chemistry is already there from the year prior, and you can really start to fully delvelope the offense for him in a offseason.

    I bet that has crossed his mind too: He's doing well this year, especially all things taken into consideration. He should be even better next season.
     
  11. NYJETS3233

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    we obviously are better off with favre. i sometimes get frustrated during games when its like 3rd and 3 and favre can easily scramble up the middle for the first but he is ALWAYS hesitant to scramble for it, when he would easily get it. Teams are starting to drop their LB deep into coverage to help safeties and corners etc. It would keep the defense honest if favre scrambles for the first once in a while and takes a slide.
     
  12. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    Did Joe Montana ever scramble for first downs? I can't recall.
     
  13. Harpua

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    Yes he did, but those days were gone before he made his stop in KC.
     
  14. Firemangini Ed

    Firemangini Ed New Member

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    I can, Montana was very mobile. What hurt him at KC was his legs were dead.
     
  15. Firemangini Ed

    Firemangini Ed New Member

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    No, passing ability is the most important thing for a QB.
     
  16. Firemangini Ed

    Firemangini Ed New Member

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    My post was "really fucking stupid". Yes, and it looks fucking stupider now, doesn't it? Be honest. Brett Nearve averaged around 4 yards per pass attempt this game.
     
  17. Firemangini Ed

    Firemangini Ed New Member

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    I have watched all but two of the games.

    It is not "false" to believe that buying time with mobility will help with the deep passing game.

    You are wrong in believing that even with an infinite amount of time the current WRs will not get open.

    I don't think putting in the backup DBs would have improved our chance of winning, the backup DBs cannot do anything better than the starters. But KC and Ratliff can buy time with their legs better than the starter at their position.

    Your claim about my stating Ratliff would have the advantage due to Denver not having game film is erroneous, I never made that claim.

    You claim I said this: "worst thing that could happen with Ratliff is we lose so we should have put him in there". I never said such a thing. Your use of quotation marks implies a failure to understand their purpose.

    You claim we should have forfeited the second half, I disagree, we should have continued to play the game.

    You hope that I am not a CS basher, my screenname is Firemangini Ed, it is odd that you cannot see that I am a CS basher.

    You claim that I am more inept at football than the CS "could ever hope to be". Perhaps you are right, perhaps our CS hopes to be inept. It seems that way, maybe you finally got something right.
     
  18. PleaseWinSuperBowlJets

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    We need play makers in the WR position. They were often SLOW, and gave up on deep passes!
     
  19. Firemangini Ed

    Firemangini Ed New Member

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    Whose laughing now?
     
  20. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    this is spamming, this gets you banned.

    You're a child.
     

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