I said consistently effective. When you get stuffed on first down and they put 8 in the box how often do you want to run into that on 2nd - 8 or 9 yards? I would have liked to see more run plays but 2nd and long isn't a great down to consistently run on when they're selling out to stop the run.
The criticism early on the season on TJ was that he went down at the first touch going through the line. I've been watching for that on his runs each week and I see less and less of that. This past week he broke some tackles that seemingly would have taken him down earlier in the year. He really is running much better as the season goes on. The line is also opening more and better holes for him to run through/around. Unfortunately the entire team, outside a very select few, was ineffective all game long. :sad:
Well I guess we should have just given up on trying to effectively pass in passing situations then? The players need to execute.
I said this in another thread but from 13 minutes left in the 2nd quarter(after his 2nd TD run) until 1 minute left in the 3rd quarter Jones got 3 carries. They totally abandoned the run and it was completely inexcusable.
yup, if we were still in the first half, there is still time to run the ball, and apparently every 8th carry TJ was ripping off a 30+ yard gain, so if you gave him the rock 4 or 5 more times in that span, chances are he was going to rip off another modest gainer (15-20 yards or more) which btw picking up 20 in a single play either on the ground or in the air, can never ever hurt.
Wow, I was thinking the same thing during the game (that you take out those two runs and his YPC was pretty low), it seemed like he was getting stopped for little or no gain a lot. But 3.57 YPC outside of those two runs is actually better than I thought he'd have. Maybe OP is onto something, he should have got more carries. Although I think a big part of what kept his carries down was that once ewe got down 2-3 scores, we were forced to pass more.
exactly. chances are he wasn't gonna continue with the same average per carry unless he somehow had another big run.
he had a couple 10+ yard carries later on which helped. But he had a ton of 1-2 yard carries which really hurt the offense.
Gotta agree. I was sickened by the lack of consistant running. Yea he ripped off some big ones, but had several 1 to 2 yarders. Our O-line did not destroy the devener front 7 like I thought they would. It was a shitty game all around for us.
can you just do that take out 2 big runs come guys they count if you want to do that barry sanders was bust please guys knock anyone else the other day not jones
we are just pointing out that taking positive plays away is ridiculous. if those runs dont result in points is one thing they were td runs come on
If Jones gets 25+ carries, we win games. We may not have won this one, but it would've been a hell of a lot closer. Honestly, how dopey was it that on a day that was absolutely pouring rain they try an end round that involves tossing the ball almost 3 yards to another player who has to catch it and run at the same time. And then, in that same rain, they pass on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1. Even if the run is being stopped consistently you try try try again. We have been consistently awful this year when Jones does NOT get 25+ carries.
In my opinion, this passing strategy becomes effective only when you can run the ball. I think that we played wide open during the Broncos game to our detriment. We persisted in running the ball against the Titans and finally it paid off. We need to wear down a team and make them understand we are going to run over them ultimately. This is when our passing effort seems to work the best -- when the opponent begins to think he cannot stop our running game.
yeah but chances are he wasn't gonna break off for 2 more long TD runs. the only reason he broke the first one was cause they only had 1 safety and that 1 safety bit on the pass on the opposite side of the field. the 2nd TD everyone thought he was down but he wasn't so he got up and ran for another 20 yards. other than that most of his runs were 1-2 yards and that's not gonna get it done.
well let me make a side point on TJ, those of you stating take out his 2 long TD runs, he only averaged 3.57 yards per carry. Ok thats great, whoopde freaking doo. guess what? 3.57 is more than 1, with two downs to get 1, i do believe that 3.57 times 2 tries gets it done. guess what else? 3.57 is more than 3! which means two tries at 3rd and 3 and 4th and 3, give you, 3.57 time 2 or a little over 7 yards! Now yes I know TJ would not have run exactly for his average on all four carries, but come on, you have a power running team, needed 1 yard on two carries, and 3 yards on two more carries, and not once does he get the ball? come on... even if hes only averaging 3.5 yards per carry, math makes it clear, that probably 9/10 times, he'll at least get you that one yard you needed. and probably 6/10 that he'll get you the 3 you needed. no excuses by our CS to not at least give him the rock once in those pivotal 3rd and 4th down situations.
Are you kidding? with that logic lets just run the ball every time. Well run 10 mins off the clock and score a TD on every drive.
Well, now you just pointed out the obvious problem the Jets have now and always have had under Manshithead and the asshole before him. EVERYBODY knows what the Jets are going to do. On first down, second down..whatever. Even with Favre we fall back into the same pattern. If he saw 8 in the box and was allowed to change the play on first down to a pass we would probably be a lot more successful. Doesn't happen.
Is there ever a time where you don't speak directly from your sphincter? Everything you just said is completely false and incorrect. What do you do just blab whatever negative arguments you can dream up at the time?
