stuckey seems to have disappeared

I get the feeling that Mangini and co. might be holding Clowney back for the last part of the season as a secret weapon. I could be wrong though and he may never see the field this year.

 

that would be sweet

 

You answered your own question. Since Keller is really starting to come into his own as a Receiver he is going to be on the field more especially in the slot because he isnt a good enough blocker.

And with him in the slot that takes looks and plays away from Stuckey.

 

this is gonna be weird to type, but we have too many guys that can do damage on offense for stuckey to be consistent. i like him and think he has a nice future for the jets but we have coles, cotch, keller, leon, and tj ahead of him as far as opportunities to get touches. not to mention they also have brad smith on the field for a number of packages.

unless you wanna take touches away from one of those other guys there simply isn't enough balls to go around. someone is going to get lost in the shuffle every week. stuckey has been the odd man out lately.

 

As far as Clowney burning DBs deep, yes, he has the potential, but Schottenheimer has been designing plays ("game-plan specific plays") lately that do not call for the bomb against the teams we've been facing. There's a great article on this in the Star-Ledger today.

Neither Schotty or Mangini acknowledge that they've reigned Favre in somewhat because of the huge number of INTs he was starting to amass, but come on... it's got to be part of the decision. Favre hasn't completed a pass longer than 20 yards in a couple of games now. Against the Titans, is was all medium-range stuff.

But nor has the been a reason to go that deep. They talked about defenses having to stop our run, so they're crowding the box again, but then they have to deal with a quick flick to Keller or Washington, so we're moving the chains very well and scoring a lot of TDs WITHOUT risking the Hail Mary's that were so frustrating early on.

I think even Favre knows those are desperation passes. But (and most important), Schotty is saying the deep pass is never off the table either. None of those deep threats have been removed from the playbook but the playbook has been slimmed down and simplified and it seems to be working very well for all parties concerned.

So yeah, I'd love to see Clowney burning deep with a spectacular catch, but then again, it hasn't been necessary. We burned the shit out of the Titans all day long and played ball-control to th eextent that Fisher had absolutely no way of stopping us, with or without the deep threat.

I agree with one of the above posters, I'd like to think Clowney and Stuckey may be on hold and could be brought out as some sort of "secret weapon," for lack of a better word... the more proper description being a completely different offensive look that another team (playoffs, perhaps?) might not have game-planned for and we'd catch them off guard.

I'd love to see Clowney burn the Patriots or Titans in a playoff game that way. They'd never know what hit them if we came out throwing repetitive bombs. It would set their defense reeling.

 

Stuckey did have that big catch on 3rd inside of the twenty. With the emergence of Keller, stuckey will be relegated to one or two opportunities a game, probably in the same situation, 3rd and short or some shit like that

 

It's great to just have him in the mix occasionally, just to break it up. And it also keeps him sharp, should Cotch or Coles go down with an injury.

 

He completed about a 50 yarder to Cotch against the Pats, and probably would have completed another bomb to Coles against the Titans if not for the pass interference.

All the quick, short passes against the Titans were by design to help neutralize there ferocious pass rush. That had absolutely nothing to do with playing it safe. It was a brilliant game plan by Schotty.

As for Clowney being a secret weapon. I think that's ridiculous. You don't keep a player inactive all year that could help you just to trick people in playoff games that you haven't made it to yet. He's not playing because he's the 5th best receiver on the team and his special teams play doesn't match Wright or Smith.

 

Me too, thats why I wish they got him in early, but you had stuckey making big plays the beginning of the year and wallace wright is so nasty on special teams the only one better is leon, plus clowney got injured and now there is no room for him, its a damn shame

 

Agree 100%

Your not going to see Stuckey have big multiple catch games, but what you will see is him making a few clutch 3rd down catches when he is covered by weak # 4 CB's.

I doubt you will see Clowney any time in the near future. Just to many guys in front of him. Wright is just to valuable on ST's to sit. Westhoff would cane Mangini if he sat him.

 

you can't really say he's the 5th best on the team, he hasent played enough yet to determine that, he's just a victim of circumstance

 

In the eyes of the Jets CS he is the 5th best receiver on the team. If not, he would be playing or at least activated.

 

To me, unless you are killing the other team, every play is big. If you need a completion, who are you gonna throw to? The guy who is most likely to make the catch. That's Coles. Then Cotchery. Then Keller. Then Stuckey. You could say, well maybe that's not the case but Stuckey just hasn't been given the chance. Maybe that's true, but why take the chance?

 

Here's the article on the short passing game I was referring to:

http://www.nj.com/jets/


New York Jets Not Giving Up On Big-play Offense
by Dave Hutchinson/The Star-Ledger
Friday November 28, 2008, 7:59 PM

Chris Faytok/The Star-Ledger
These two guys -- Brian Schottenheimer and Brett Favre -- still have something up their sleeve when it comes to opening up the passing game. Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer readily admits that quarterback Brett Favre has gone more to a short passing game in recent weeks, but he insists a post pattern to wide receiver Laveranues Coles -- even with safety help over the top -- is still in the playbook.

Over the past four games, the Jets have gone to a short passing game that has produced five touchdowns and just two interceptions while averaging 35.2 points.

Favre has completed 79 of 103 passes (76.6 percent) for 816 yards in those games. Just six completions have been for 20 or more yards.

"We say it all the time, it's game-plan specific," Schottenheimer said Friday. "You look at Tennessee, very good pass rush, very good football team with Kyle Vanden Bosch, (Albert) Haynesworth, (Jevon) Kearse and all those guys, it lends itself to trying to push the ball fast.

"Plus, a lot of people now are having to load up the box to try to stop the run, they're putting eight and nine guys up there so you can push it a little bit faster on the outside. Again, we have the plays to go up the field."

In the Jets' 34-13 victory over the Titans, Favre had only one completion of 20 or more yards in 32 attempts.

Schottenheimer insists that each game his play-call sheet has everything at the ready and the flow of the game dictates which way he decides to go.
"When the games get going, (you call) the plays that are working," he said. "The philosophy hasn't changed, it's just that we've been executing the short passing game very, very well and that's a credit to the players."

Even so, it's hard to believe that the Jets' decision to go to a short passing game wasn't based, in part, of Favre's interceptions. He had a stretch of seven interceptions in a four-game span prior to the change in play-calling.

And there has been another change in the offense. Schottenheimer has drastically reduced the different shifts and motions that were his trademark in his first two seasons. Instead, he has gone to an uptempo, more stationary offense in which the Jets are dictating the pace of the game with their balanced attack.
As a result, the Jets (8-3) are on a roll, having won five straight and seven of eight entering Sunday's game against the Broncos (6-5) at Giants Stadium.

And as the Jets offense has gone to another level, so too has the relationship between Favre and Schottenheimer. The pair aren't exactly finishing each other's sentences, but they no longer have to wear name tags in meetings.

The Brett Favre experiment that started in August has now produced the league's second-highest scoring team (323 points) and the Jets are on pace to shatter their franchise record of 419 points, set in 1968.

"I've always been very comfortable with Brett," Schottenheimer said. "There has always been that fact that as you go further and further down the road, down the season, there are things you begin to anticipate.

"Where you had to talk about things in the past, now you're able to solve it between each other. You don't even have to discuss it. I don't know if you call it in the zone. We're playing pretty well. We have a very good feel for one another."

NOTES

Rookie CB Dwight Lowery, who has been beaten for six touchdowns and a two-point conversion and lost his starting job to veteran Ty Law, knows Broncos sharpshooting QB Jay Cutler will be looking for him on Sunday.

"No question. I don't see why not," Lowery said. "They're a team that's going to attack what they feel our weaknesses are."

Lowery, a fourth-round pick, says he hasn't lost his confidence and isn't trying to hide when he's on the field.

"You don't play the position not to have the ball thrown your way," he said. "I'm fine. I'm a young guy and things aren't always going to go your way. It's how you respond to those situations."

Coach Eric Mangini said Lowery is working hard to get better and is not sulking.

Friday, Broncos third-year quarterback Jay Cutler was asked if his arm is stronger than Favre's.

"Yeah, I think so," Cutler told the Denver media while laughing. "What is Brett? Is he 40 yet? Thirty-nine, soon to be 40? I think he may have given me a run back in his 20s, but I think I got him now."

Veteran K Jay Feely, who has hit 10 straight field goals, will likely kick vs. the Broncos.

With rain in the forecast, the Jets may turn to AFC leading rusher Thomas Jones (950 yards, nine TDs) to pound the Broncos' 26th-ranked run defense (144.5 yards per game).

LB David Harris (groin surgery) and S Eric Smith (concussion) are listed as questionable. Harris isn't expected to play but Smith is a possibility.

Broncos S Marlon McCree (ankle) is out and LB D.J. Williams (knee) is doubtful. Pro Bowl CB Champ Bailey (groin surgery) is questionable but may play.

The Jets, in connection with Jersey Cares, are sponsoring a coat drive on Sunday.

 

These are all great points. I'm not big on Brad Smith anymore either. In fact, he hasn't shown me much on any of his plays. He is an exceptional STer though, which is why he's even on the payroll now, IMO.

 

As of right now fuck Clowney. Let him stay in the inactive section as there is absolutely no room for him right now.

Amazing this Offense is dominating the point of attack, owning time of possesion, getting 30 points a game against great defensive teams or those with some of the most creative defensive minds ever and this fan base still fucking complains. They actually clamor for a preseason monster that scored a couple of touchdowns against guys now bagging my groceries.

Whenever Stuckey makes a catch it seems it is almost always a first down or one of the important varieties to keep a drive going. He plays the middle of the field takes a big hit or two but is generally a tough WR. So in the realm of importance he keep drives going and has a role in the spread/no-huddle offense the Jets use on third down and/or longer yard situations. Hence, he belongs being active for a game as his importance although not one of the immediate/overt variety is most certainly there. He is perfectly suited to the Jets offense right now.

In a regular offense that consists of L. Washington, T. Jones, Cotchery, Coles, Keller where are the extra touches going to come from? Jesus this O just figured out it had to give L. Washington the ball more often. It is also has seen the emergence of one of the most promising talented Offensive rookies this side of L. Washington. Yes, that does come at the expense of others, notably Stuckey, as there are only a finite amount of plays during a game.

Don't even think of making that other "Wide Receiver" Wallace Wright an inactive.

Edit: I forgot Brad Smith. He is too versatile to remove either. He is another important special teams player. Good luck in getting Westhoff to agree to inactivate him. Again, with all the steady playmakers on this team there is not enough ball to go around and as such Smith is not called upon very much. However, he is another that is improving and is making catches/runs/end-arounds that move the chains and keep drives alive. Plus the fact he is on the field keeps the other teams on their toes for the gadget plays etc.

 

im pretty sure they have some trick plays designed for the packages that feature smith as the 3rd wr. i would hope that as far as straight talent at the position that stuckey would be the true number 3, and that smith has his packages where he is the #3 so that the opposing team doesn't know something tricky is coming when he is in the game.

 

Best guess is, you don't fix what ain't broken. Since the rotation we have is working just fine, why mess with it?? Smith is our "wildcat" guy but other than that, he's ST period. Same with Wright although I think Wright might surprise with a catch downfield after being ignored by the deep coverage.

Clowney will be back next year. He's faster than Coles and probably has more upside as well. Just the numbers working against him this year is what keeping him sidelined. His preseason injury didn't help his cause either. Like it or not, Clowney is the only burner this team has on the roster so look for BS to take a longer look next TC at him..

 

Well, this is my problem with Smith. He practically wears flashing neon signage on his helmet that says a trick play is imminent. If Schotty thinks he's going to fool somebody like Belichick or others anymore he's kidding himself.

Unless you are going to insert Smith continuously as a straight up WR (and that just doesn't make sense with the other weapons we have at our disposal), then every time he goes in, people are looking for trickery.

To me, a much better trick play would involve Leon or whatever. But we've improved this year to the point where we don't need gadgets too much anymore. I'm not saying eliminate them, because I think at some point during the playoffs, you could bring out a couple of them and really burn somebody, but for the most part, when we're pounding a team like the Titans (and to some extent the Patriots) with straight-up football, just keep on doing that for the most part.