Brett's bandwagon

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  1. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Favre was much better in NE than Chad was in Miami on Sunday.
     
  2. ouchy

    ouchy Well-Known Member

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    How do you figure? Because we won? We have a lot more talent.

    Would we have won if we lost the coin toss in OT? Would we have won if Washington does not return a kick? How do you figure Favre was "much better"?
     
  3. Italian Seafood

    Italian Seafood New Member

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    He's just stuck in that mode now. Chad could throw for 600 yards and 8 TDs but he still didn't play well. Some people just can't admit when they are wrong about a guy.
     
  4. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Because with the game on the line Favre put us on his back and put together two consecutive brilliant drives to win the game. In the game on Sunday with the Dolphins very much in the game Chad folded with a big pick that ended the back and forth and killed the Dolphins.
     
  5. FOURTHANDLONG

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    Chad Played well yesterday? Just well enough to lose as usual.
     
  6. ouchy

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    Umm - it wasn't back and forth at that time. The pats were up by two scores when that pick was thrown.

    Once the Pats got up by two scores in the 4th and did not have to worry about stopping the run their defense cut loose and dominated. If you dont know what happened in the game you should not be talking about it like you do.
     
  7. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Wrong about what. There is a difference in playing well and being a big time player in this league. That's why you can keep looking at stats and tell me how much better Chad is than Eli/Favre/Rothlisberger/fill in the blank.
     
  8. abyzmul

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    Yes, and if our OC doesn't call 3 straight runs up the middle and avoid getting one single first down to put the game away in regulation with a little over 2 minutes left in the game, the coin toss wouldn't be an option for the 'what if' crowd. Such a stupid argument, that coin toss.
     
  9. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I would think that with the way Favre has been playing lately, especially in the past two weeks the Chad lovers would finally see what the difference is between Chad and Favre. Apparently not.

    Chad has had a great season so far, no doubt. The Jets have more talent than the Lphins, no doubt. But if you cannot see the things Favre has been doing lately that we were missing with Chad, you most certainly never will. Seriously, open your eyes. Look beyond the numbers and see the things Favre is doing for this team.
     
  10. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Are you actually arguing that Chad was better than Favre because after a back and forth game when New England was up 3 after scoring to make it 24 21 Chad lead a drive that lead to a punt before NE scored again and than he lead a drive while still in the game that lead to an INT to seal the game?
     
  11. ouchy

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    There you have it - Favre played better.
     
  12. ouchy

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    Are you actually trying to say you knew what happened in the game. A quick run over to NFL.com to look at the stats and then come up with a lame arguement.

    That pick did not cost them the game. The pats were winning 31-21 and Chad led them on an long drive and scored another TD making it 31-28. But the defense only stopped NE twice all day. Thats why they lost. BTW - the fins only had 58 rushing yards that game. The whole load was on Chad and he delivered when they needed it. But at some point the defense has to make a stop.
     
  13. FOURTHANDLONG

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    When the Defense does not play you do what Farve did to the Cardinals. Step up when the defense does not instead of making excuses. Chad played well but not well enough to win the game as usual.
     
  14. ouchy

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    You make it sound like our D folded and favre led us back. What was the score at halftime again.
     
  15. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Actually I cought the entire first half of that game because I was in Miami. Nobody was stopping anyone all day and Chad was the first to blink. Cassel out played him down the stretch and that's why they lost. They were absolutely in that game down 10 when Chad threw the pick. There was plenty of time left in that game. Those are the big moments and the difference was the Pats O with Cassell was simply better than the Dolphins behind Chad. As you pointed out when the D was playing pass only Chad was done. He simply can't get the ball into tight spots with enough zip when the options are limited. Not Chad's fault it is what it is.

    If you're arguing that if Chad doesn't throw the pick and the Dolphins score a FG or a TD to bring it down to one score that the D wouldn't have held probably so but the D never got the chance because as you pointed out behind by more than 1 score with Chad is basically game over.

    Chad is a terrific QB when he is front running. In the NFL that's not a given.
     
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    He threw six touchdowns pases and put up more than the 39 points the Cardinals scored. Enough so we won despite our D laying an egg. He did what he had to when we got the ball in Ot against New England as well. He does what it takes to win so we don't have to make excuses of why we lost games like we have been hearing for Chad for years.
     
  17. ouchy

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    Except it wasn't game over. After the INT he drove them down the field and scored a TD. And again the defense failed. And did we mention he had no running game and lost his number 1 reciever while doing it? Chad sucks.
     
  18. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The INT came later when they were down 10 and with almost 9 minutes to go and still in the game. The TD to bring it to 31 28 came the series before the pick.

    Chad doesn't suck he is a very smart QB with a limited arm which against big time teams is a limiting factor. In a league where mediocrity is rewarded with playoff appearances there is still a difference between good enough to be in the hunt for the playoffs and good enough to be in the hunt to win a SB.
     
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  19. JUNJOBX2199

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    I disagree. In both cases the Defense failed their teams. The jets survived being undressed by belichick and in Miami their defense lost their minds. In Terms of Chads game he did what he does, exploit the empty zones and toss a couple into dangerous areas and ultimately getting picked. Brett was more controlled , but also made some throws that could have easily been picked off.
     
  20. FOURTHANDLONG

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    Tom Brady won three Super bowls without a number one receiver so cry me a river for Chad!
     

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