You know what the absolutely hilarious truth is? That probably half of the people praising Favre as the holiest of all Quarterbacks were probably the same crowd bashing the hell out of him 2-3 years back claiming he was done and should just hang it up. What I wouldn't give to see a couple of those old threads and who was doing the bashing. :lol:
Well thats encouraging. He has credibility because he says so. Right, then I guess everyone who says they are credible is. Credibility is gained by making rational arguments that even though someone may not agree with, can fully understand and see the logic in. Lets look at your "credible" argument for Favre being "mediocre this decade" shall we? God where do I begin. You took the fact that he was 3-5 in playoff games in 8 years. Well first off, 8 playoff games in 8 years is hardly mediocre for one. Then you say he has thrown 15 INT's EVERY year, so lets look at TD's also: Year Record Yards TD INT 2000 09-7 3812 20 16 <--- Decent season 2001 12-4 3921 32 15 <--- Great season 2002 12-4 3658 27 16 <--- Good season 2003 10-6 3361 32 21 <--- Good season 2004 10-6 4088 30 17 <--- Great season 2005 4-12 3881 20 29 <--- Terrible season 2006 08-8 3885 18 18 <--- Mediocre season 2007 13-3 4155 28 15 <--- Great season 2008 05-3 1812 15 12 <--- Decent season Now we must look at this "Great year" of '06 that you keep saying Chad had. 2006 10-6 3352 17 16 <--- Mediocre/decent So if Favre throws 15+ INT's its mediocre even with 30+ TD's, but if Chad throws 16 and only 17 TD's then that is somehow great. You take an "excuse" approach when arguing for Chad. "He's hurt", "His team was bad", "His division is too hard", etc. Notice I make no excuses for Favre because none are needed. "Great" QB's don't need them. Chad has played ONE full season in the NFL and he threw 16 INT and had a mediocre year. Int the last decade, with the exception of Manning and Brady, no one has had better numbers than Favre. That is just plainly not mediocre. Even if you don't think "garbage fantasy #'s" as you put them are the most important, you can't completely ignore them and remain credible.
John Elway has a higher TD to INT percentage than does Favre, but you don't hear people blasting Johnny boy for being the TD king.
You make it sound like you EXPECT Favre to lead the Jets to the SB midseason, and you EXPECT Favre to lead the jets to 8-0 or 7-1. Also, because the team is ONLY 5-3 you want us all to "call him out on it" What's sickening is that you want to throw the Jets QB under the bus, boo him off the field, throw beer bottles at him, or whatever your type does. Instead of being grateful that the team isn't 1-7 (hint 2007) and giving him the benefit of the doubt. I think your hatred of Favre is clouding your judgement. If we had another QB under center, I doubt you'd be throwing him under the buss already, so why are you so quick to throw stones at Favre?
Good luck in your search for finding a QB with a similar resume. Dan Marino is about is. Dan and Favre are miles above the rest, statistically. Let me guess, you'd probably go with Chad Pennington, right?
Ray Rhodes was the coach in '99, GB has had some good teams this decade especially considering they played in such a pathetic division and conference. Remember when they were 12-3 and came to the meadowalnds to face the 8-7 Jets and we humilated them? That GB team was fighting for homefield and Favre was awful that day. Yes Brett was excellent last year then I watched him give away the NFC Title Game to the Giants. That throw in OT was a throw even a rookie would be smart enough not to make. Who got Vinatieri in position to kick those GW FGs? Did Favre lead his team to w/in a kick against denver? Did Favre's K ever miss to keep him from winning? That's such a silly argument. The man is 14-3 as a starting QB in the postseason. Why do I talk up Brady? I despise the Pats but I know greatness when I see and he is w/o question the best QB of this generation. Even though I hate NE and don't like Brady I admire what the man has done just like I admired Marino and Jim kelly(Favre is better than kelly). Just b/c you hate teams and players doesn't mean you cannot be objective when it comes to evaluating them and I happen to LIKE Brett Favre. I have always liked Favre since I found out about him at Southern Miss and wanted the Jets to draft him. I like the packers, they are not a team I have ever rooted against but I am HONEST. I have proven it over years on this board. I don't just look at fantasy #s and procalim players good or bad. I dig deeper. When you play in the NFC North it is. Only ONE year since they realigned in '02 has the North had more than 1 playoff team and that was in '04 when Minnesota got a WC w/ an 8-8 record. In 6 years only 8 teams have had winnning records, that is pathetic. 2000: 20-16 is decent 2001: You can't have a great season when it ends w/ 6 INTs. His reg season might have been great but you have to factor the postseason in. 2002: was good but ended w/ a blowout loss to the jets where they lost homefield and loss at home in the WC rd. That takes it down a notch. In the Jet and Falcon games he led GB to a total of 17 pts and threw 2 TDs and 3 INTs. 2003: You can't have a good season where you throw 21 INTs and he had numerous chances to put philly away in the postseason and couldn't do it. 2004: How does one have a great season only leading his team to 10 wins in that pathetic division? then getting blown out by an 8-8 team at HOME in the WC rd thrwoing 4 INTs? 2005: Brutal. 2006: poor(remember, he's supposed to be the "greatest"a ccording to you guys so he's held to a different standard) 2007: excellent reg season, choked in postseason again. 2008: poor season so far. I think he'll wind up w/ a good season but so far he's been poor and has held us back. Please show me a quote where I said Chad's 2006 season was great? PLEASE do it. You want to talk about credibility then don't start making things up. AGAIN, I never called Chad's 06 great and yes Chad's '06 was better than favre's 06 even though they had similar #s. They aren't judged the same, one guy is an all-time great and the other is a good NFL QB. It's not fair to judge them on an equal playing field though this year I am b/c of the trade and Chad is clearly outplaying him. You havem't made excsues for him? B/c your divisions stunk, we had a DYNASTY TEAM in our division in Chad's years here. Favre couldn't beat Cassell's Pats, what do you think he'd do against Brady's Pats? That is a HUGE factor and you have made excuses b/c you are telling us how great he was this decade when he hasn't been. You have ignored his terrible postseasons and those count. He's SUPPOSED to be the greatest according to folks like you, then he gets judged on a different scale. You can't have it both ways.
Do you really think NE wanted their SBs to depend on Vinatieri's foot? If Brady was as great as you think he is that would have never come into play. He wasn't in the games they won and he certainly wasn't in the ones they lost.
Your thought process is truly mind-boggling. I've never seen a more contradictory argument in my entire life. Somehow you think Favre's season falls to the ground with one game, meanwhile Chad has those games at the end of every single season. Every......single.....season. How can Chad be out-playing Favre when he has less than half of the TDs and less wins? In fact, your arguments for Chad over the years have become more distorted with every sentence, and to keep pounding out the same nonsense with you makes trench warfare look like a one-sided slaying. Yesterday I was content to humor your delusions. Today? Not so much....
Not me sir. I was happy when the Jets beat the Pack, back before Chad was exploited by the Raiders and his true colors were exposed, but I take a bad Favre year over a good Chad year any day. Lets look at it this way - everyone with the exception of Junc think the Jets played far too conservative football and Chad Pennington was a huge part of that, regardless of what he's doing in Miami. I for one am tired of watching dink and dunk football. If Phin fans want that, good for them. I want to see some exciting football. When the opposing D is very aggressive, I'm down with dink and dunk....that's the way the game is played. But I don't want to spend another 4 years watching Chad throw to his running back, and win possibly 9-10 games and then fall flat one his face, as he ALWAYS does when things get rough. At least if Favre falls flat on his face you can rest assured knowing that you were entertained, and you watched THE GREATEST QB OF ALL TIME WEAR YOUR COLORS. BOOOYA I'm out biatches!
Oh god. Yeah i think NE wishes they could throw back their 3 Championships b/c they only won by 3 pts each time. After all the size of the Lombardi is determined by the margin of victory:rofl: I realize you cannot follow my train of thought and that's probably why you struggle to follow the game of football. Favre is an all-time great, he is judged differently than good NFL QBs. he is judged against guys like Brady not guys like Chad. he is judged against Chad THIS YEAR b/c of the circumstances and Chad is outplaying him. Chad has ELEVATED his team, favre has held us back most of the year. Miami w/o Chad has 1-2 wins, if we had Chad we'd have 1-2 more wins. Favre has not been good and you'd see that if you actually watched the games instead of looking at fantasy #s. You are complaing about how we were conservative w/ Chad, how were we Sunday? That was the biggest game of the year and we were conservative and Brett played well b/c we didn't allow him to go nuts and throw away the game(though he tried). First watch the games then post comments b/c it's clear you aren't watching and if you are you may want to purchase "football for dummies" so learn something about the game.
Irony defined: Someone claiming to be a football expert not knowing that you beat aggressive Ds with the draw, screen and short passes. All I need from you now is for you to say "Inconceivable"
Who said that?...lol.....what I said was it wasn't in their gameplan to have to depend on Vinitiere's foot. They would have preferred he never stepped on the field other than to kick off. Unfortunately, they had to hope he could make long field goals to win.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...05_brett_favres_story_is_getting_shorter.html You have copies of their gameplans? The gameplan was to win by 20 points? Brady held them back? read back what you wrote, you'll laugh too.
Who am I debating with, you or the media? Maybe next time I disagree with you, I'll go look at dailynews to find where your reasoning is coming from. Let me have your address, I'll send you Football for Dummies when I'm done with it, Vince.
I wouldn't call what you are doing debating, basically I point out facts and you hurl insults. That's not really a debate.
