Jets could be 5 and 3 with Chad Pennington too- Newsday, Glauber

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  1. Long Time Jet Fan

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    How can you say that? The Chiefs suck, and the Jets tore AZ apart. Plus we win the Raiders game with Chad at the helm.
     
  2. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    I completely disagree. I'm almost positive it was a TD if Cotch stays on his feet. It's a throw he can and has made.

    You give me a break.
     
  3. Br4d

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    This article is just dead wrong. The Jets don't win the Arizona game with Chad at QB, because we'd have dicked around up and down the field the whole first half and been up 13-0 at that point and then we'd have gotten steamrollered in the second half for a big loss.
     
  4. Jake

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    We'd be 3-5 with chad.
     
  5. nyjunc

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    We have had ONE great offensive game, don't be fooled by the points. We scored alot in garbage time against SD, we scored some points against awful KC and Cincy teams. Remember our D has 3-4 TDs so it's not all offense.
     
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    Oh man, this could be fun. I want to see this guy call junc a darksider.
     
  7. packerbacker1234

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    Take Away Brett's 6 TD Game, then it's only Fair to take away the Dolphins 6 TD performance, since yes rushing TD's usually don't occur without some sort of help from the QB on the drive.

    That being the case: The stats you see right now between the offenses would still be exactly the same. You can't eliminate the Jets best game without taking away the Dolphins best game.

    Bottom Line: Jets are scoring more TD's then Miami. Sure, we may turn the ball over significantly more, but we beat them head to head, and were sitting good.

    I am impressed with how Maimi is doing as a team. How Ricky Williams found a role, Ronnie Brown looks like he did two years ago, and the wildcat formation is finally back in the NFL.

    However: If Chad was on this team... look at last season,a nd that is what this offense becomes again. Chad simply cannot play in this offense. And, with Favre struggling with it as well, you have to just start wondering if this "oh, we want to surprise people!" and not getting a solid identity as a team on offense is really something that actually works consistently enough to be useful.

    Right now, the overall offensive game plans this year have been failures. It's pretty sad when even the fans recognize that the coaching staff is not even using the weapons on offense to their best potentional.
     
  8. johnny

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    Exactly. Some have complained here about there being no rightful place for this type of an article. However, the fact the this thread and many like it have a life of their own proves the point that the article (whether you agree or disagree) covers topics that people are intersted in. Seems logical to write about it to me.
     
  9. Mr. Papagiorgio

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    I think we'd have only 3 wins with Chad. I do think we are missing a WR that can create seperation deep down the field or make the tough catches in traffic. Favre needs a Greg Jennings/Javon Walker type to reach his full potential with us.
     
  10. D. JETSon

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    chad is doing good with MIA ... I was fine with Penny starting this season , he did good Manginis first year
     
  11. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Jets: 23 PPG
    Mia: 21 PPG
    NE: 21 PPG
    Buf: 21 PPG

    The reason we have 23 is b/c we scored some garbage time points against SD.

    Favre has also given up 28 pts by himself w/ INT and fumble returns. Our Offense has had ONE great game and a bunch of mediocre to bad games. We do not have a very good O YET.



    Yep, that's what's great about favre. he can throw INTs into double coverage that most QBs wouldn't dare try to throw.

    Explain how we don't win the Arizona game? We had 6 TOs in the 1st half! and that is when the game was won.

    How do we not win the KC game? Does Chad throw 3 INts against them? does he throw that killer INT for the TD? of course not.

    Favre played the Buf game like Chad. Qucik, shorter patterns. We wouldn't have had to sweat things out b/c Chad never would have thrown that INT to Greer. Chad, w/ a LESS talented team, just beat Buf the week before and did so in a far more impressive fashion than Favre. Chad was 22-30 for 314 and a TD leading Miami to 25 pts and the W. Favre was 19-28 for 201 yds w/ no TDs and an INT leading his O to 19 points.



    If you say so. B/c as we've seen Favre never throws a bad pass unless a receiver slips:rolleyes:

    Like we did at GB 2 years ago against some legendary QB? We scored MORE 1st half points w/ LESS turnovers that day against the great Favre and his Packers. We would have won the Arizona game w/ Brooks Bollinger at QB.
     
  12. WhiteShoeWillis

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    I like how you try and put a ridiculous statement in my mouth there. Rewatch the play, it would have hit him in the stomach/chest area if he didn't fall down. No where did I say Favre never throws a bad pass. You can go back and look at my posts where I've said he played poorly prior to last week for a few games and also questioned his bad decision in the Bills game that resulted in a pick 6.

    Bottom line is you don't think for a second to question Chad but you immediately jump all over Favre. Both made questionable decisions but you give Chad the benefit of the doubt. I understand you're a big Chad fan, but don't pretend like you're being completely objective when comparing Favre and Chad because you definitely are not. You favor Chad, and that's fine. Just don't pretend like you aren't. It's annoying when you act like you're sooo objective and everyone else is biased because you're biased too.
     
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    I can't stand when people do that, like if you take away his 6 td game he only has 9 td passes, you play 60 minutes for 16 games, all stats count the same...
     
  14. nyjunc

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    You call my statement ridiculous but you are telling us where a ball would have hit had Cotch not fallen down even though he was double coeverd by 2 defenders in excellent position.

    This is the problem w/ you guys. You did the same thing w/ Herm, you THINK I never criticized Herm or Chad but that is 100% incorrect. I criticize when warranted just as I am doing w/ Favre. Favre has been wildly inconsistent all year and has had a mostly poor season, am I supposed to say he's been great and the reason we are 5-3 when I know that's not the case? He played well(outside of the INT) on Sunday and praised him for it, I praised his game against Ari, I didn't criticize early in the year b/c I gave him time to adjust to the O but I was fairly criticizing him for the 3 games stretch pre-Buffalo b/c he was horrible keeping bad teams in games against us and allowing one of them to steal a win.

    We scored 1 offensive TD through 3 qtrs and did so on a 4 yard "drive". It doesn't impress me nor does it say anything good about our O that down 38-14 in the 4th that we scored 2 meaningless TDs to inflate our offensive #s.
     
  15. WhiteShoeWillis

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    Yes, it's completely ridiculous when you try and put words in my mouth saying Favre never throws a bad pass. Like I said, rewatch the play and see for yourself. The pass was almost certainly a TD if Cotch caught it, incomplete at worst.

    I don't disagree that he's been inconsistent, and even bad at times. I just see your opinions as favoring Pennington. That's fine, but don't sit here and tell everyone else they're being biased when you are quite biased yourself. Everyone sees it but you.
     
  16. nyjunc

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    I didn't put words in your mouth but it's silly to say that pass would have been completd if Cotch doesn't fall down especially w/ 2 defenders around him in good position in small space.

    I never wanted the trade to happen, i felt then and I still fell now we'd be better w/ Chad. So far I look correct BUT we have half a season to play and I HOPE I turn outn to be incorrect. I want to win, I don't care who our QB is. I happen to like Favre but he has been frustrating to watch for most of this season. I HOPE he keeps getting better and we win alot of games.

    I am NOT biased, I praise when it's warranted and criticize when it's warranted. It's not my fault if you guys perceive me to never have criticized Chad or never have praised Favre but those perceptions are incorrect.
     
  17. JohnnyJohnson

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    The same way you say we win the Raiders game with Chad at the helm.

    See how democracy works?
     
  18. SigmaXJet

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    chad wouldn't have played in that many games if he was a Jet. he'd find a way to injure his shoulder again.
     
  19. JohnnyJohnson

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    Because Chad can't handle being pressured. Fact.

    Also, I've seen Brett make more of those double-coverage completions than chad has made into single coverage.

    Let me ask you something, does the Chad Pennington scratch-n-sniff rookie card smell like bubble gum or jock sweat?
     
  20. JohnnyJohnson

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    Let me ask you guys something, why can't Chad scramble a little and throw the ball out of bounds when he's pressured? Why can't Chad have a 4thQ 2 minute winning drive?

    If he's so great, he should at least be able to do those two things. Why? Because while he can throw the ball far, it takes 45 minutes to get the ball there. He never..I mean never uses the sidelines in the 2 minute drill. Why? Because his arm sucks.

    You can deny it all you want, but it would be like denying WWII ever happened.
     

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